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Paul vs Jesus

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
was paul's problem, the apostle, that he couldn't make the oneness connection to god, like jesus and jesus' 12; when he made the other apostles his equals?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
was paul's problem, the apostle, that he couldn't make the oneness connection to god, like jesus and jesus' 12; when he made the other apostles his equals?
Paul is the one who connected all that mess together and for a short time made it work.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
was paul's problem, the apostle, that he couldn't make the oneness connection to god, like jesus and jesus' 12; when he made the other apostles his equals?
Going out on a limb on this one...

Paul's problem was: He didn't want to be Jewish anymore?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Going out on a limb on this one...

Paul's problem was: He didn't want to be Jewish anymore?
"For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,..."
"until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,"
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
"For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,..."
"until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,"
A descendant of Abraham who advocated for the trinity? Didn't Paul instruct people to use Jesus as a gate?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
A descendant of Abraham who advocated for the trinity? Didn't Paul instruct people to use Jesus as a gate?
not Jesus but Christ in you, as Christ was in Jesus and Christ Jesus went to the Father to set us an example.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
not Jesus but Christ in you, as Christ was in Jesus and Christ Jesus went to the Father to set us an example.
That's not Jewish. Not that it's bad or wrong. It's just different.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
That's not Jewish. Not that it's bad or wrong. It's just different.
That is what Paul tried to achieve : universal understanding of Christ Mission among different types of consciousness. " faith and knowledge unity".
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Well, I certainly didn't intend to encourage that... :oops:
Aside from the Biblical idea that everyone is 'the same in Christ', it is well known that one cannot 'stop being jewish', so the idea is just an arbitrary strawman that leads to some type of 'jew bashing'.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Aside from the Biblical idea that everyone is 'the same in Christ', it is well known that one cannot 'stop being jewish', so the idea is just an arbitrary strawman that leads to some type of 'jew bashing'.
OK. Good to know. I'll avoid that sort of comment.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Aside from the Biblical idea that everyone is 'the same in Christ', it is well known that one cannot 'stop being jewish', so the idea is just an arbitrary strawman that leads to some type of 'jew bashing'.
"when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when onec turns to the Lord, the veil is removed."
2000 years ago. Interesting time.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Paul is the one who connected all that mess together and for a short time made it work.
Or connected socrates to jesus..
What would socrates say? "thank god i am socrates and not a platonist!!!"

What would jesus say "thank god i am jesus and not a christian"

What would paul say? Thank god i am paul and not a platotist nor a theologian they deserve each other"
And all three said "thank god i am not a modernist i might have become really dumb and got a phd they are even dumber than the idiots back here"

And ecopsycology said"amen" wow they are idiots i am experiencing that first hand..
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Going out on a limb on this one...

Paul's problem was: He didn't want to be Jewish anymore?
Not all Jews believe they are 'equal to G-d'...
He was the Michael Jackson of Christianity. He claimed to be a Jew but he sure tried his best not to look Jewish.
Wouldn't that more accurately describe Jesus? After all, it was Jesus who was arguing with the Pharisees, changing the 'laws', [are you familiar with the sermon on the Mount? So forth...

However to relate this to the thread premise idea and argument, do Jews say that everyone is equal to God, that everyone is God, and if so, why don't you present a list of verses of what Paul says, as opposed to Jesus, and show the disagreement?
If you are presenting the verse where Jesus says 'ye are Gods', and Jews believe that, then why did they disagree with Jesus, anyway?
Of course that verse means the main deity talking to angels, however, either way, whether Jesus is calling Himself God, or calling them g-ds, or whatever, then why are all the Jews in the Bible accusing Him of blasphemy?

In other words, your comment makes no sense.
 

Rise

Well-Known Member
was paul's problem, the apostle, that he couldn't make the oneness connection to god, like jesus and jesus' 12; when he made the other apostles his equals?

I don't see any problem with Paul.
What problem are you referring to?

You would first need to establish there actually was a problem with Paul before we could begin to talk about what caused it.
 
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