'They 'are beginning to accuse President Trump over Iran

[oldbadger]

It all about U.S. Oil Production Reaches Record High
U.S. Exports of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

Interesting.
Thanks for that info.......

 

[Martin]

It's all Trumps fault. Climate change, Brexit, all of it.
Some say he is a space-alien from the Naff Nebulous.

 

[oldbadger]

If they deter all ships, supplies won't get to other Middle East countries. I do think that Trump is making a mess of it and it is sad that the U.K. would still backup the U.S. under the circumstances. He is obviously looking for a fight. He has something to gain. I haven't studied to see what that is. Maybe, control of the Middle East which would allow the U.S. to share the revenues from the oil in the Middle East. It's all a game. It always has been except for World War II. We did need to stop the Nazis but now we have allowed thousands of service members to die in combat that is being used to make defense contractors wealthy. Greed is always the bottom line these days.

Iraq has already been destroyed and we will go back in if the "terrorists" act up, we are moving troops into Saudi Arabia and now we are probably going to attack Iran. Doesn't it all add up? The only thing I don't understand is why Afghanistan? Is it just to keep the defense contractors in business until we get to Iran? I would love to hear anyone's ideas on this.

Leov's post further up might offer reasoning for this mess.
And we, the UK, seem to be prepared to be a US puppy yet again.

Nobody likes extremist Iran, but it is really being kicked towards conflict, I reckon.

 

[oldbadger]

Most your going to get from the opposition of Trump is empty rhetoric.

Do you think that President Trump has handled this issue well?

 

[oldbadger]

I assume that Howard was pointing out the large support that Hitler had from the elite in the USA and Europe. Including the Bushes and Fords and such.
Did you know that Hitler had a framed portrait of Henry Ford in his office?
Tom

He had a bunch of influential friends in the UK as well.
But I didn't know about the above.

 

[Howard Is]

Leov's post further up might offer reasoning for this mess.
And we, the UK, seem to be prepared to be a US puppy yet again.

Nobody likes extremist Iran, but it is really being kicked towards conflict, I reckon.

And it’s the theocratic government of Iran which is extreme, not the millions of ordinary Iranians.
But they’ll get ‘bombed back to the Stone Age’ in a major conflict, as did the good people of Vietnam and Iraq.

And Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan and Syria.

 

[oldbadger]

Right, but money doesn't have to be the primary reason for military confrontation. And we also shouldn't have to wait for Iran to detonate a nuclear bomb somewhere before we react... We can prevent it before it becomes tragedy.

...Nobody trusts Iran.

Trump reneged on a deal. It is said that he did this to spite Obama's peace initiative.

 

[oldbadger]

I know that germany and japan did business with
the various world powers prior to ww2.

It was kinda obvious he was pointing out news of
the well known, for all its imbalanced presentation
and innuendo.

But that has zero (0) to do with the topic.

I asked the ol badger if he was aware of britain
making the opposite mistake to what he was claiming
re Iran, when they failed to confront germany-
and if he knew of people decrying churchill for
urgiing that they do so.

He has not responded, neither did you two.

I didn't bother to answer your pointless post because this is happening now, not 75 years ago.

Time to wake up

 

[oldbadger]

It is all fake...

I think you might be right.

But folks will grasp propaganda when they want to.

 

[columbus]

US, Iran, Russia, Saudis and a few others have common interest - stable oil price,.

Not everyone has the sort of short term thinking that USonians do.

Unless someone invents solar powered fighter jets or wind powered warships, whoever controls the Gulf oil region will have a huge strategic advantage in the upcoming war. At the moment, the USA has that kind of strategic advantage. We are the dominant regional power.
But neither Russia nor China want that, and that's why Iran is more likely to partner with them than the USA(who have been attacking Iran for decades).
You might think that this is still the 80s, but it isn't.
Tom

 

[oldbadger]

The UK wrote a check it couldn't cover (pay for)

If we get a general election, then a new government could call the slate quits.

 

[oldbadger]

And it’s the theocratic government of Iran which is extreme, not the millions of ordinary Iranians.
But they’ll get ‘bombed back to the Stone Age’ in a major conflict, as did the good people of Vietnam and Iraq.

And Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan and Syria.

Yes.
We boast such great technology but sadly we still cannot get surgical with our weapons.

 

[oldbadger]

It's all Trumps fault. Climate change, Brexit, all of it.
Some say he is a space-alien from the Naff Nebulous.

Nope.
They are more attractive. Better complexions. Etc

 

[Cooky]

Trump reneged on a deal. It is said that he did this to spite Obama's peace initiative.

Thats conspiratorial, and is a fallacious position due to lack of evidence.

But what Trump did say, was that the "deal" was entirely in Iran's favor -them essentially halting uranium enrichment for 8 short years, and gaining billions of dollars... In the mean time, Iran was repeatedly caught breaking the deal.

 

[Ellen Brown]

It started slowly.
But it's gatheriong pace.
As the Iran crisis grows many News bulletins (here) about Iran now begin with (something like):-
'The Crisis that President Trump started when he pulled the USA out of the agreement with Iran'
And it's building......... and building.......

The fact that the UK was prepared to arrest an Iranian Oil Tanker in Brit wayers off Gibralter (for the US?) was our own stupidity.
The fact that we did not immediately deter all British Flagged ships from going near Iranian waters was our own stupidity.

But now it's building higher and higher, and as it does, folks over here need to look to blame somebody for triggering what could possibly be a most dreadful situation ...... blooming.

And I recently heard (on radio) a politician point ouit that President Trump, in spite, busted the Iran-deal because it was an initiative of the 'Obama government'.

And so, the nastier this gets, so the louder the shouts of blame........

Opinions? Responses?

Trump is Teflon coated. Nothing will stick.

 

[oldbadger]

Thats conspiratorial, and is a falacious position due to lack of evidence.

But what Trump did say, was that the "deal" was entirely in Iran's favor -them essentially halting uranium enrichment for 8 short years, and gaining billions of dollars... In the mean time, Iran was repeatedly caught breaking the deal.

Evidence?
Sources?

Europe thought Iran washing OK.

 

[columbus]

Thats conspiratorial, and is a falacious position due to lack of evidence.

Are you aware that the Republicans promised to renege on the deal before it was even finished? Making it into a partisan football?
And Trump took that ball and ran with it, Putin cheering him on?
Tom

 

[leov]

Not everyone has the sort of short term thinking that USonians do.

Unless someone invents solar powered fighter jets or wind powered warships, whoever controls the Gulf oil region will have a huge strategic advantage in the upcoming war. At the moment, the USA has that kind of strategic advantage. We are the dominant regional power.
But neither Russia nor China want that, and that's why Iran is more likely to partner with them than the USA(who have been attacking Iran for decades).
You might think that this is still the 80s, but it isn't.
Tom

They just talk tough and more talk, some fake action like bombing nothing important may follow but I doubt that.

 

[Cooky]

Evidence?
Sources?

Europe thought Iran washing OK.

From 2017, over a year before Trumps withdrawal from the Iran deal:

Iran is violating the deal

It is well established that Tehran has consistently denied IAEA inspectors access to military sites and other research locations. This is in direct contravention to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) and bipartisan legislation set out by Congress, which compels the president to verify that "Iran is transparently, verifiably, and fully implementing the agreement."

 

[Cooky]

ALSO FROM THE 2017 ARTICLE:

"To be sure, revelations about Iran testing the boundaries of the JCPOA and crossing the line into violation are not new. While many of these violations have not been disclosed by the previous U.S. administration, or by the IAEA, there is a myriad of information and analysis suggesting that Iran has previously failed to comply with several provisions of the JCPOA. It has twice been revealed that Iran exceeded the cap on heavy water mandated by the agreement, and has also refused to allow testing of its carbon fiber acquired before the deal was implemented. Moreover, it has also been reported that Tehran has found new ways to conduct additional mechanical testing of centrifuges, in clear violation of the JCPOA."