'They 'are beginning to accuse President Trump over Iran

[Audie]

No

Ok, good enuf. Both, and no assuming needed.

 

[columbus]

Should i assume your intent is to be tiresome,
or just irrelevant?

I assume that Howard was pointing out the large support that Hitler had from the elite in the USA and Europe. Including the Bushes and Fords and such.
Did you know that Hitler had a framed portrait of Henry Ford in his office?
Tom

 

[Howard Is]

I assume that Howard was pointing out the large support that Hitler had from the elite in the USA and Europe. Including the Bushes and Fords and such.
Did you know that Hitler had a framed portrait of Henry Ford in his office?
Tom

Thank you Tom

 

[leov]

It's a pretty common metal, much more common than gold - but it's radioactive, and is the key ingredient in atomic bombs.

Oil is money, right now.

 

[Cooky]

Oil is money, right now.

Right, but money doesn't have to be the primary reason for military confrontation. And we also shouldn't have to wait for Iran to detonate a nuclear bomb somewhere before we react... We can prevent it before it becomes tragedy.

...Nobody trusts Iran.

 

[Audie]

I assume that Howard was pointing out the large support that Hitler had from the elite in the USA and Europe. Including the Bushes and Fords and such.
Did you know that Hitler had a framed portrait of Henry Ford in his office?
Tom

I know that germany and japan did business with
the various world powers prior to ww2.

It was kinda obvious he was pointing out news of
the well known, for all its imbalanced presentation
and innuendo.

But that has zero (0) to do with the topic.

I asked the ol badger if he was aware of britain
making the opposite mistake to what he was claiming
re Iran, when they failed to confront germany-
and if he knew of people decrying churchill for
urgiing that they do so.

He has not responded, neither did you two.

 

[leov]

Right, but money doesn't have to be the primary reason for military confrontation. And we also shouldn't have to wait for Iran to detonate a nuclear bomb somewhere before we react... We can prevent it before it becomes tragedy.

...Nobody trusts Iran.

It is all fake...

 

[Howard Is]

Right, but money doesn't have to be the primary reason for military confrontation. And we also shouldn't have to wait for Iran to detonate a nuclear bomb somewhere before we react... We can prevent it before it becomes tragedy.

...Nobody trusts Iran.

Agreed.
Provided the prevention is not itself a tragedy like Iraq.
Or the tragedy of ‘preventing the spread of communism’ in Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh had visited the US, before the war, looking for help to prevent communist takeover of North Vietnam. He was ignored.

The problem, IMO, was clearly stated by Dwight D. Eisenhower in his farewell address on January 17, 1961.

The Military Industrial Complex have assumed control of government.

 

[columbus]

I know that germany and japan did business with
the various world powers prior to ww2.

It was kinda obvious he was pointing out news of
the well known, for all its imbalanced presentation
and innuendo.

But that has zero (0) to do with the topic.

I asked the ol badger if he was aware of britain
making the opposite mistake to what he was claiming
re Iran, when they failed to confront germany-
and if he knew of people decrying churchill for
urgiing that they do so.

He has not responded, neither did you two.

Should i assume your intent is to be tiresome,
or just irrelevant?



There are some huge differences going on here. During the first half of the 20th century Germany was doing most of the attacking. It didn't end well for them.
Since WWII, the USA has been doing most of the attacking.

And now we're living in a nuclear world. US belligerence could impact the entire biosphere the way German belligerence did European culture a century ago.
Tom

 

[leov]

Should i assume your intent is to be tiresome,
or just irrelevant?



There are some huge differences going on here. During the first half of the 20th century Germany was doing most of the attacking. It didn't end well for them.
Since WWII, the USA has been doing most of the attacking.

And now we're living in a nuclear world. US belligerence could impact the entire biosphere the way German belligerence did European culture a century ago.
Tom

US, Iran, Russia, Saudis and a few others have common interest - stable oil price,.

 

[Howard Is]

Should i assume your intent is to be tiresome,
or just irrelevant?

LMAO !
And with that, I’m off to bed.
Sweet dreams all

 

[Shadow Link]

What rhetoric is that?
Much of the World is beginning (slowly) to claim that President Trump started the whole upcoming mess.

And much of the (European) the World seems to claim that President Trump created the whole insecure trouble just to spite President Obama's successful peace initiative.

The UK has been totally stupid in recent weeks, but our politicians now look to the original cause of the crisis.

Most your going to get from the opposition of Trump is empty rhetoric.

 

[leov]

Most your going to get from the opposition of Trump is empty rhetoric.

We were about bombing North Korea, now Trump is a peace maker, same will be with Iran, same was with Syria...good, bad cop game.

 

[Shadow Link]

We were about bombing North Korea, now Trump is a peace maker, same will be with Iran, same was with Syria...good, bad cop game.

He doesn't want war. But if you're not going to play fair upon the world stage then there might be a problem.

 

[Shad]

It started slowly.
But it's gatheriong pace.
As the Iran crisis grows many News bulletins (here) about Iran now begin with (something like):-
'The Crisis that President Trump started when he pulled the USA out of the agreement with Iran'
And it's building......... and building.......

The fact that the UK was prepared to arrest an Iranian Oil Tanker in Brit wayers off Gibralter (for the US?) was our own stupidity.
The fact that we did not immediately deter all British Flagged ships from going near Iranian waters was our own stupidity.

But now it's building higher and higher, and as it does, folks over here need to look to blame somebody for triggering what could possibly be a most dreadful situation ...... blooming.

And I recently heard (on radio) a politician point ouit that President Trump, in spite, busted the Iran-deal because it was an initiative of the 'Obama government'.

And so, the nastier this gets, so the louder the shouts of blame........

Opinions? Responses?

The UK wrote a check it couldn't cover (pay for)

 

[oldbadger]

Just mp's directing negative attention away from themselves using our convenient scarecrow. You're welcome. If it keeps Britain out of a war then I'm glad.

What do Iran's neighbors say? Its true that Iran may get a nuke, but we have lost some of our credibility. Its time for its neighbors to say something. If they won't, then we should draw back. If they don't feel threatened, then we have a problem with credibility which Iran can and will press.

Complicated ......
Yes, we have made some really daft decisions about this over recent weeks.
And we seem to need an Election, which just complicates things more.
But it does appear as very easy to find loads of blame to dump on President Trump.

He sure seems to be an international troll.

 

[oldbadger]

Why is it so hard to fathom that Iran may have behaved badly, and continues to behave badly?

...What good things has Iran done ever..?

The bully on the block, pretending to be a peacemaker? I'm not talking about Iran just now.

Your President does like picking fights, you know.

Why, he even picks em with folks at home.

 

[leov]

He doesn't want war. But if you're not going to play fair upon the world stage then there might be a problem.

It is all scripted.

 

[oldbadger]

He'd have had nukes if them pesky Israelis had not bombed his
reactor.

He did use poison gas against kurds. No large
arsenal of such was found. (Probably not
all the buried tanks and migs have bern found)

Boiling it all down to "lies" is what is
known as "facile".

Nope.
Overlooking the lies is what's known as naive.

 

[oldbadger]

Brilliant! Analytical!

"I am rubber, you are glue,
bounces from me and sticks to you!"

Usual pointless, personal drivvle from you?