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'They 'are beginning to accuse President Trump over Iran

Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
Essentially, Iran is the equivalent (actually worse) of Westboro Baptist Church running a government... Potentially with nukes!

...And people defend that... Cause' Trump. :facepalm:
 
leov

leov

Well-Known Member
oldbadger said:
It started slowly.
But it's gatheriong pace.
As the Iran crisis grows many News bulletins (here) about Iran now begin with (something like):-
'The Crisis that President Trump started when he pulled the USA out of the agreement with Iran'
And it's building......... and building.......

The fact that the UK was prepared to arrest an Iranian Oil Tanker in Brit wayers off Gibralter (for the US?) was our own stupidity.
The fact that we did not immediately deter all British Flagged ships from going near Iranian waters was our own stupidity.

But now it's building higher and higher, and as it does, folks over here need to look to blame somebody for triggering what could possibly be a most dreadful situation ...... blooming.

And I recently heard (on radio) a politician point ouit that President Trump, in spite, busted the Iran-deal because it was an initiative of the 'Obama government'.

And so, the nastier this gets, so the louder the shouts of blame........

Opinions? Responses?
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It all about U.S. Oil Production Reaches Record High
U.S. Exports of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
oldbadger said:
But Saddam, nasty as he was, did not have WMDs. Somebody lied and deceived.
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Notanumber said:
Exactly.
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Saddam consistently remained uncooperative in regards to UN inspections.

Iran still has not learned from it's neighbors mistakes, that cooperation with the global community is essential.

...When will they learn, and what will it take? Clearly negotiations do not work.
 
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leov

leov

Well-Known Member
Landon Caeli said:
It's not all about that. But oil production, is a very important issue, because the global economy relies heavily on oil.
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US is in a dire trouble due to collapse of petrodollar and huge trade deficit. What would we do if we get 40% devaluation of $$?
 
Howard Is

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Audie said:
He'd have had nukes if them pesky Israelis had not bombed his
reactor.

He did use poison gas against kurds. No large
arsenal of such was found. (Probably not
all the buried tanks and migs have bern found)

Boiling it all down to "lies" is what is
known as "facile".
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The US government tested nukes on their own people. Pesky government.
 
Howard Is

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Audie said:
I dont get the relevance.

In the event, of course the USA has wmds.
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Relevance - Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq...Nevada tests, Bikini Atoll....The US government has a history of pernicious lies to justify war, and a demonstrable lack of empathy, to say the least.
 
David T

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
oldbadger said:
It started slowly.
But it's gatheriong pace.
As the Iran crisis grows many News bulletins (here) about Iran now begin with (something like):-
'The Crisis that President Trump started when he pulled the USA out of the agreement with Iran'
And it's building......... and building.......

The fact that the UK was prepared to arrest an Iranian Oil Tanker in Brit wayers off Gibralter (for the US?) was our own stupidity.
The fact that we did not immediately deter all British Flagged ships from going near Iranian waters was our own stupidity.

But now it's building higher and higher, and as it does, folks over here need to look to blame somebody for triggering what could possibly be a most dreadful situation ...... blooming.

And I recently heard (on radio) a politician point ouit that President Trump, in spite, busted the Iran-deal because it was an initiative of the 'Obama government'.

And so, the nastier this gets, so the louder the shouts of blame........

Opinions? Responses?
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Hey rocks will be rocks render unto rocks what is rocks.

I love rocks and roll.. I love the roll part got movement. Rocks well they dont move. Nope just sit there, b when the waters flow deep in the underground...
 
Neutral Name

Neutral Name

Active Member
oldbadger said:
The fact that the UK was prepared to arrest an Iranian Oil Tanker in Brit wayers off Gibralter (for the US?) was our own stupidity.
The fact that we did not immediately deter all British Flagged ships from going near Iranian waters was our own stupidity.
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If they deter all ships, supplies won't get to other Middle East countries. I do think that Trump is making a mess of it and it is sad that the U.K. would still backup the U.S. under the circumstances. He is obviously looking for a fight. He has something to gain. I haven't studied to see what that is. Maybe, control of the Middle East which would allow the U.S. to share the revenues from the oil in the Middle East. It's all a game. It always has been except for World War II. We did need to stop the Nazis but now we have allowed thousands of service members to die in combat that is being used to make defense contractors wealthy. Greed is always the bottom line these days.

Iraq has already been destroyed and we will go back in if the "terrorists" act up, we are moving troops into Saudi Arabia and now we are probably going to attack Iran. Doesn't it all add up? The only thing I don't understand is why Afghanistan? Is it just to keep the defense contractors in business until we get to Iran? I would love to hear anyone's ideas on this.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Landon Caeli said:
Iran still has not learned from it's neighbors mistakes, that cooperation with the global community is essential.
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Yeah, actually they did. That's why they are so determined to get nukes.

The USA has been attacking Iran for decades. Especially since the late 70s when they took their country back from the US puppet Shah Pahlavi. Among other things, we launched a war against them, with ~1,000,000, casualties in the 80s. We used Saddam Hussein as a proxy, that's when he got the WMDs.

Then along came President Bush Jr., who announced a hit list in his first State of the Union address. He called it "The Axis of Evil", and it included Iran, North Korea, and Iraq.

North Korea immediately produced a nuclear weapons program. Their leader Kim died in his bed, having passed on the country to his son. Iraq had no such deterrent, their leader Hussein was publicly executed after we'd killed his sons. Iran learned that lesson. Get nukes at any cost or the USA will invade and destroy your country.
Iran wants to be more like North Korea than Iraq.
The best way to stop an Iranian nuclear weapons program is to stop attacking them. Obama understood that. Too bad Trump and the Republicans don't.
Tom
 
Howard Is

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Audie said:
As a brit, and with a fair history of brit
political stupidity to reference, was not
your churchill accused of trying to start
something with that german guy?
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I assume you mean the German guy the Bush family helped to finance.

“First we’ll take Manhattan
Then we’ll take Berlin”
- Leonard Cohen
 
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