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The Conflicting Theologies of the New Testament

Rise

Well-Known Member
But our attention should be focused on the conflicting theologies in the Bible

You would first need to prove your claim to be true that there are contradictory theologies in the Bible.
You take your premise for granted that they exist but you haven't earned the right to do that yet. You must first objectively prove the existence of conflicting theologies in the Bible.

Because of the various theologies that were mashed together in the Bible various sects of Christianity using the same text have developed conflicting theologies based on the importance and emphasis they place of certain scriptures. You can come up with proof text of the divinity of Christ as well a proof text arguing against the divinity of Christ from the very same source...The New Testament. Not only in regards to the divinity of Christ do we see conflicting theologies but in other doctrines as well such as antinomianism v. legalism (scriptures supporting both exist in the NT), we have conflicting doctrines on sin, redemption, atonement, predestination and others all finding support with in the text because the text is not a whole as widely believed but a cut and paste job that was scrabbled together.

Your claim is based a logically flawed premise.
Your premise is that you believe the existence of different beliefs about what the New Testament says represents proof that the whole NT can't be conveying a consistent message.
However, the reality is that there exists other reasons for why people can believe differing things about the same text. In my experience I would say the most common reason appears to be simple ignorance. Sometimes it's even willful ignorance because they desire to purposely twist the meaning of scripture to support what they want to believe so they choose to flat out ignore the parts of the NT that outright disprove their belief. Other times it's innocent ignorance when the individual seeks the consistent truth contained in the NT but lacks complete knowledge to properly form consistent conclusions from it. People take verses out of context and draw conclusions from them which are not consistent with the whole of the NT. That is not the fault of the text but is a user error. By modifying their conclusions to account for all the information contained in the NT they can arrive at a logically consistent interpretation that holds up to being challenged.

In order for you to objectively prove that such differing beliefs are not simply the result of user error, but the result of a flawed text, you must first logically demonstrate the existence of theological contradictions in the NT that cannot be logically resolved in a way that is consistent with the whole NT text.
 
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LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Exactly why I say t


Well seeings how there is a lot of contradictions in the bible,to me only supports what I have said all along; that God did not inspire or have any input in The Bible. I've said it thousands of times that I believe The Bible is a well written story by man on a mission , designed with words that provoke fear and control that was written with the spirit of brainwashing,and they have done just that successfully for those who truly believe in those words in the book, for all these thousands of years. Mission Completed.

.Why would someone just make up stuff and put it in words and call it the bible? Who knows?maybe the author was selfish and didn't want anyone to know the real truth but him,so he could be the only one with that power and all the benefits that come along with worshiping the real "God" of this world.

Maybe it was written because the real truth was too easy,so man decided to put more drama to God's words. Or maybe it was a sick joke.Like I said who knows?
All I know is the real Creator would never condone most of the actions and thoughts in that book,cause the real Creator is All Love,not a angry, jealous, judgemental, non forgiving, violent nature,hell pushing, ,vengeful,demanding,punishing, dominating,spiritual limiting Creator that the bible says.

Oh yea that's right let's not forget after all those things he then in the same breath of the author,The Creator becomes this loving all understanding wonderful spirit,that contradicts scripture about himself. Really? That right there should raise a hair,you just said, God doesn't contradict himself,right?

People don't consider that really disturbing and confusing and unrealistic?To each it's own,but myself "I'm not buying it at all" and that's my right to feel and believe as I want also!! So stop trying to convince me and others like me with the very scriptures we don't even believe in, that we am wrong and misguided and headed to the pits of hell cause we don't follow and believe what you believe and follow as the truth,no proof at all just blind faith,as you say. (good comeback,but really weak.)

Yes, I state and give reasoning for my belief,but I don't try to force it on no one,and I'm not trying to hard convince people with something I can't even prove myself,like Bible believers do all the time. If someone asked me to prove my opinion,I can but wouldn't be able to, because most Christians or those who believe in what the bible says,would not consent to how I would present my proof, and the methods I would use, (they would say it's of evil )so I wouldn't even waste my time or yours,but at least I can produce my proof.Even Christians and such know the Scriptures can't be proven as true words of God.

I know I will get the "well,you have a good comeback,by saying you won't waist our time because we wouldn't allow your methods!,that's a way to worm out of giving proof.)" I have a comment for that before it's even said. For me to present my proof of most of my belief I'd have to be in the presence of you,not over the computer.Seeing is believing!! Now if you want to come to my place,then it's on,otherwise it's not possible

Some of my belief is disproving your belief with common sense reasoning and logic,which I've done in the past but it never gets anyway because they just disputed all the way using more scriptures!! so what's the use? There is none cause I'm just a wicked witch who is doing the work of evil, in your eyesight anyway and I couldn't possible know better and more then you!! right?

I'm just glad I don't concern myself with what other's say about me.They have a right to their opinion as well. That's Life.
What are some contradictions you notice in the Bible?
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
Your right there could have been a man named Jesus who existed and then started a cult who was later crucified by the Romans. But that doesn't make his religion to be true ether.

I do need to say, though, that his theology was sound. The love he spoke of, his parables, etc.
I can't find fault with his teachings.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
We have had a lot of threads nitpicking the various contradictions found in the Bible. But our attention should be focused on the conflicting theologies in the Bible rather than quibbling about how many animals where is the ark or whether Jehoiachin was 8 or 18 when he ascended to the throne.

Christians often views the Bible has theologically consistent not taking into account that the Bible was written and edited by various people at different who held theologies that differed widely from each other. Member of the different sects that developed after the death Jesus all interpreted the teachings, life and death of Jesus in various ways that could be consider at odds with each other. For example the author of the Gospel of John stresses the divinity of Jesus while in the synoptic gospels there is seldom a hint that Jesus is considered divine by those authors.

Because of the various theologies that were mashed together in the Bible various sects of Christianity using the same text have developed conflicting theologies based on the importance and emphasis they place of certain scriptures. You can come up with proof text of the divinity of Christ as well a proof text arguing against the divinity of Christ from the very same source...The New Testament. Not only in regards to the divinity of Christ do we see conflicting theologies but in other doctrines as well such as antinomianism v. legalism (scriptures supporting both exist in the NT), we have conflicting doctrines on sin, redemption, atonement, predestination and others all finding support with in the text because the text is not a whole as widely believed but a cut and paste job that was scrabbled together.
Aaaand...

You have a problem with this?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
If Jesus was the one true God who created everything and divinely inspired all the writing in the bible like many Christians proclaim it is then there would be no contradictions in the bible. It would be simple and easy to understand, but in reality is quite complicated and convoluted thus we can safely assumed that the Christian God Jesus doesn't exist.
How does it follow that inspiration cannot produce contradiction?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It "separates the sheep from the goats"...the "wheat from the weeds"....as Jesus said...
"Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-36)

If division was to come even among family members, then what of the wider community?

"For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart."

It is the power of God's word that creates the division....just as it is meant to. Just by reading it, God can discern the thoughts and intention of the human heart.
There you go, taking things out of context and interpreting without exegesis. Such a waste of bandwidth.
 
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