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The Conflicting Theologies of the New Testament

sooda

Veteran Member
Have you ever wondered why Jesus spoke in parables that not even his own disciples could not understand?

Well, I studied to find out. And what I learned was that only those who were interested enough did he reveal what they meant. Only to the ones who truly believed he was who he claimed to be and wanted to understand the truth behind what he spoke.

What exactly did you study?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Have you ever wondered why Jesus spoke in parables that not even his own disciples could not understand?

Well, I studied to find out. And what I learned was that only those who were interested enough did he reveal what they meant. Only to the ones who truly believed he was who he claimed to be and wanted to understand the truth behind what he spoke.

A parable is a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Partially but not fully. Which is why we have sects (works oriented sects) to this day that put more emphasis on other teachers like James and pay less attention to Paul or try to fit him in somehow
If you mean that psychic church destroyed Paul's pneumatic leadership, yes, political religion always takes over, it does not require much understanding just emperor's support.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
If you mean that psychic church destroyed Paul's pneumatic leadership, yes, political religion always takes over, it does not require much understanding just emperor's support.
I mean other Christians who did not accept Paul's teaching as having anything to do with the teachings of Jesus and who rejected Paul like the Ebionites and the author of the Gospel of Matthew does.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
I mean other Christians who did not accept Paul's teaching as having anything to do with the teachings of Jesus and who rejected Paul like the Ebionites and the author of the Gospel of Matthew does.
Because they had no idea what Paul's base is, it is Christ Jesus's teaching. Why we see now is totally purged Paul just as Valentinian Gnostics were purged too.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Scripture isn't going to get up and interpret itself. People do the interpreting mostly they do it with an uncritical eye that is color with their own prejudices rather than looking at the Bible through the critical methods.

An honest critical method has to admit that man was created with an 'immortal soul' is nowhere taught by Scripture.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We have had a lot of threads nitpicking the various contradictions found in the Bible. But our attention should be focused on the conflicting theologies in the Bible rather than quibbling about how many animals where is the ark or whether Jehoiachin was 8 or 18 when he ascended to the throne.

Christians often views the Bible has theologically consistent not taking into account that the Bible was written and edited by various people at different who held theologies that differed widely from each other. Member of the different sects that developed after the death Jesus all interpreted the teachings, life and death of Jesus in various ways that could be consider at odds with each other. For example the author of the Gospel of John stresses the divinity of Jesus while in the synoptic gospels there is seldom a hint that Jesus is considered divine by those authors.

Because of the various theologies that were mashed together in the Bible various sects of Christianity using the same text have developed conflicting theologies based on the importance and emphasis they place of certain scriptures. You can come up with proof text of the divinity of Christ as well a proof text arguing against the divinity of Christ from the very same source...The New Testament. Not only in regards to the divinity of Christ do we see conflicting theologies but in other doctrines as well such as antinomianism v. legalism (scriptures supporting both exist in the NT), we have conflicting doctrines on sin, redemption, atonement, predestination and others all finding support with in the text because the text is not a whole as widely believed but a cut and paste job that was scrabbled together.
Bob, i love the text but...we are kinda lost in our heads over thinking it. Which is actually ironic since it is about a very simple carpenter who never wrote a word. That is ironic and proof the cosmos? God? Nature? has a sense of humor. Jokes on us shall i say.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Because they had no idea what Paul's base is, it is Christ Jesus's teaching. Why we see now is totally purged Paul just as Valentinian Gnostics were purged too.
The Nazarenes and Ebionites were all about Jesus' teaching to the exclusion of Paul's. They were just as much a legitimate sect of Christianity with direct ties to the Apostles as the Paulines were. In fact before 500 CE they were the majority.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
So what?

Which parables are that difficult to understand?
How bout this one:

23 Jesus replied to them, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24 Truly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains by itself. But if it dies, it produces much fruit.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
An honest critical method has to admit that man was created with an 'immortal soul' is nowhere taught by Scripture.
Can you actually function without books? I mean if you hadnt read that would actually do any hard work to realize that? And what the hexk who cares actually since t
I have my own intuition and also read a lot of Gnostic sources, especially Rudolf Steiner. I have a good Idea what Christ Jesus was about.
Oh steiner! Well done! I dont think i have heard one person here say his name! Ah yes permaculture with a sacred bullshorn thrown in is biodynamics. Thats a cool thing right there actually some good insight by steiner on that whole thing. A definite shamanistic thing.
 
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