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No, mainstream understanding of the English language ... got any?
What a foolish response.
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No, mainstream understanding of the English language ... got any?
Only to one insufficiently wise to understand ... must I further embarrass you by explaining in detail? I do so hate shooting fish in a barrel.What a foolish response.
"Multilevel evolution leads to long-term information integration. Through genome, network, and dynamical structuring, the occurrence and/or effect of random mutations becomes nonrandom, and facilitates rapid adaptation. This is what does happen in the in silico experiments. Is it also what did happen in biological evolution?"
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Nothing here of substance that would falsify a hypothesis supporting Intelligent Design. He presents a philosophical/theological argument for ID and not a scientific one.
logic ?? .... information can only be generated by a mind
DNA sequence
your post above evolutionists ....... are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of A or B
A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or
B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence
07-01-2019 .. Origin of Life: Intelligence Required (Science Uprising 05)
06-18-2019 .. DNA Is Code: Who Coded It?
04-23-2019 .. DNA is a language / information storage system - google
A little background on information Integration, is the notion that information transfers may or may not be a fundamental natural and universal law. In and of itself.
Actually, there are two kinds of ID, from my understanding. There is Intelligent Design and intelligent Design -lower case i.
The latter deals with pure science, and includes the ideas of Memes and Information Integration.
Here's a video that I watched 30 min. of last night, which got better every minute. Daniel Dennett is an Atheist.
Dude - are you familiar with what is called 'metaphorical language'? Or do you really believe that the sun 'goes down' at night?
logic ?? .... information can only be generated by a mind
DNA sequence
your post above evolutionists ....... are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of A or B
A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or
B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence
The concept of the term "meme" comes from Darwins "selfish gene" theory.
Care to give us a quick synopsis in your own words.This science is going to transform how we think about evolution and consciousness as it will hopefully give us the stories and metaphors we need to make even ToE a more familiar and palatable reflection of our everyday reality.
Here is my recommended reading list for those science-y types that are not familiar with this stuff...
Journalistic introduction to Complex Adaptive Systems
https://www.amazon.com/Complexity-E...exity+science&qid=1562940666&s=gateway&sr=8-4
Ground-breaking work on "order for free" that will hand science the keys to the kingdom of any last ToE skepticism:
https://www.amazon.com/At-Home-Univ...uart+kauffman&qid=1562940887&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Also on Information Theory...
https://www.amazon.com/Information-...mation+theory&qid=1562943831&s=gateway&sr=8-7
Here's a quick video that some might understand (highly compressed discussion) especially if you have read the above:
This science is going to transform how we think about evolution and consciousness as it will hopefully give us the stories and metaphors we need to make even ToE a more familiar and palatable reflection of our everyday reality.
Actually, there are two kinds of ID, from my understanding. There is Intelligent Design and intelligent Design -lower case i.
The latter deals with pure science, and includes the ideas of Memes and Information Integration.
Here's a video that I watched 30 min. of last night, which got better every minute. Daniel Dennett is an Atheist.
Care to give us a quick synopsis in your own words.
This won't do Stuart Kauffman justice I'm sure...
A system exists in a space divided into orderly and chaotic regions. At the interface of these regions is a critical zone where order and chaos are "balanced". Systems that can find this critical zone are stable and creative. Such systems give rise to self-organizing behaviors out of random interactions. These self-organizing behaviors "grow" taking up more and more of the space of total interactions until they reach a maximum. This maximum becomes a strong or even dominant determinant of behavior in that system. This behavior can persist long term and is adaptive to many changes in the systemic environment.
This happens naturally for many natural and human systems which are allowed sufficient degrees of freedom and enough interactions between largely, but not entirely, similar and consistent parts. As such we see order "arising for free" in systems largely, initially, governed by random behavior. This basic mathematical aspect of a system indicates that for organisms in an ecosystem, the same thing applies. The gradual formation and continual drift of species represents an emergent order which has converted a great deal of the space of random inputs into self-organizing and persistent behaviors.
Certain planets such as the Earth allow for chemical interactions to emerge into progressively more complex and adaptive behaviors because their environments are conducive to the existence of critically balanced order and chaos.
I should add that the self-organizing behavior produces adaptations faster than random response does. As such it represents implicit knowledge, wisdom or information in the system that makes it appear to be more intelligent than a random system.
Kauffman and I agree on the scientific facts, but we disagree on many issues of interpretation. First I do not divide into orderly and chaotic regions(?). I consider the Laws of Nature determine the order of our physical existence, and variations in possible range of cause and effect outcomes is fractal based on Chaos Theory as describe by Gleick. I avoid the use of random, 'random behavior?' and chance, because it would only apply to the timing and degree of outcome of events, and not the long term outcome of chains of cause and effect events that are determined by Natural Law.
This science is going to transform how we think about evolution and consciousness as it will hopefully give us the stories and metaphors we need to make even ToE a more familiar and palatable reflection of our everyday reality.
Care to give us a quick synopsis in your own words.
This won't do Stuart Kauffman justice I'm sure...
A system exists in a space divided into orderly and chaotic regions. At the interface of these regions is a critical zone where order and chaos are "balanced". Systems that can find this critical zone are stable and creative. Such systems give rise to self-organizing behaviors out of random interactions. These self-organizing behaviors "grow" taking up more and more of the space of total interactions until they reach a maximum. This maximum becomes a strong or even dominant determinant of behavior in that system. This behavior can persist long term and is adaptive to many changes in the systemic environment.
This happens naturally for many natural and human systems which are allowed sufficient degrees of freedom and enough interactions between largely, but not entirely, similar and consistent parts. As such we see order "arising for free" in systems largely, initially, governed by random behavior. This basic mathematical aspect of a system indicates that for organisms in an ecosystem, the same thing applies. The gradual formation and continual drift of species represents an emergent order which has converted a great deal of the space of random inputs into self-organizing and persistent behaviors.
Certain planets such as the Earth allow for chemical interactions to emerge into progressively more complex and adaptive behaviors because their environments are conducive to the existence of critically balanced order and chaos. I should add that the self-organizing behavior produces adaptations faster than random response does.
As such it represents implicit knowledge, wisdom or information in the system that makes it appear to be more intelligent than a random system.
Your last sentence makes it quite clear that Stuart Kauffman has stepped over the line and is fully into woo.