Study: Psychiatric Diagnoses Are ‘Scientifically Meaningless’ In Treating Mental Health

[Shiranui117]

I know the question is nothing but neuro-chemistry and nothing more. So yes very familiar. Stating that which is self evident zero science needed actually. So your (neurochemistry speaking) question? Btw it unto itself cant be objective. Its neuro chemistry talking about neuro chemistry. As if its independent from neuro chemistry if it thinks its "objective". That is an illusion otherwise.

Nice red herring, but you're not going to sidetrack this into a conversation about solipsism.

But thank you for telling me that you do not, in fact, know anything about treating or overcoming mental illness. You can take your self-righteous uninformed opinions elsewhere.

 

[David T]

Right, so what you've established here is that mental illness can result due to a variety of factors, including life experiences, neurology and genetics, none of which can be altered; we can't change the past, and we don't have the ability to alter the structure of somebody's brain, and neurochemistry can be a really fickle thing to tinker with.

So, there are a great many people who can't "get off the boat" as you put it. They cannot change their neural pathways and rearrange the physical structure of their brains or change their genetic code.


Here's what I want you to do. Read the first part of your post that I quoted above, and use your brain cells to logically deduct what that means. Then I want you to read this part of your post again and see how you have completely contradicted yourself. First you say that mental illness often results due to circumstances that are completely out of a person's control, and there is often no cure or fix for them. And then you turn right back around and say that anyone who has a mental illness is just a lazy, godless, LARPing snowflake.

Pick a story and stick with it.

Here's a Bible verse or two for you from 1 Corinthians 13:
1 If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal . . . 4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.

Choices. Funny i didnt mention them.. ironically or maybe with intent. That should have been an obvious and you didnt see it? Why didnt you see that coming?

We see what we want to see so it will match what we believe what we believe. And what we believe determines greatly what we see.

Proof? you did not see the obvious missing.

 

[Shiranui117]

Choices. Funny i didnt mention them.. ironically or maybe with intent. That should have been an obvious and you didnt see it? Why didnt you see that coming?

We see what we want to see so it will match what we believe what we believe. And what we believe determines greatly what we see.

Proof? you did not see the obvious missing.

If I want to play word games I'll go play Scrabble. Nobody here has time for your drivel complaining about how people with mental illness are worthless, lazy scumbags. Have fun trying to sound smart.

 

[David T]

Nice red herring, but you're not going to sidetrack this into a conversation about solipsism.

But thank you for telling me that you do not, in fact, know anything about treating or overcoming mental illness. You can take your self-righteous uninformed opinions elsewhere.

Really. Your view is generating a really High sucess rate. Impressed. Hell not a mentally ill person on tbe streets. Hell no one taking meds. Congrats you are correct you really understand. Vast decrease actually.

Please realize i actually emphisize growing up. Try it! Breathing grown ups breathe! Children just muddle around in the intellect lost playing make believe. Sound like a theologian pretending you understand the bible. Wow!!!!! Great theology love it profound... Not.

Not a single mental patient ever going around, "breathing extraordinary might try it some time. good crisp walks in nature will help clear the confusion i might add. Grown ups breathe.

 

[David T]

If I want to play word games I'll go play Scrabble. Nobody here has time for your drivel complaining about how people with mental illness are worthless, lazy scumbags. Have fun trying to sound smart.

Oh i am so sorry, you might read what i wrote to wolf. She is Far from the nonsense you have written child. In fact i did not use a single word you have projected onto me curious like a child.

Wolf is an extra extra extraordinary you are not. She is a deeply gifted being you are not. Her gift is her curse you have no gift but to give commentary aviut stuff ypu have zero clue about normal. Theoligians.

Sorry wolf and all the wolves i concern myself with directly, they are gifted and it curses them. The normal folk, who cares what they believe i dont!

theologians i do not care about the Dull. Accounting is a more suitible profession. You seemed to not even grasp the simple neurochemistry is a self evident no science needed.

Real SELF AWARENESS is hard. Might try it some time

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Your potential is great being wasted. That annoys me. Lazy is what that is.

Again, you dont know me. Glad I have so much power over you that I annoy you. You throw out accusations of what you think, and as someone who is both mentally ill and has a background as a behavioral health professional, your claims of walking on boats and mental health being lazy, I wont let you spew such bull**** unopposed.

 

[David T]

Again, you dont know me. Glad I have so much power over you that I annoy you. You throw out accusations of what you think, and as someone who is both mentally ill and a background as a behavioral health professional, your claims of walking on boats and mental health being lazy, I wont let you spew such bull**** unopposed.

Easy... better word? Easy, stick to the easy routine. Take the meds dont stop. Better word? Cross lazy off i am sure you work hard at it. So you didnt totally understand me from someone more familiar with it than you. A bit like a jungian explaining to a freudian sorry not correct. But so be it. We can agree to disagree right there. Sorry i didnt mean To offend just provoke a bit af thinking. Which it obviously didnt do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Take the meds dont stop.

I already told you I dont take any. For Aspergers, there are none. And a blessing? Seriously, **** you. There is no blessing when you syruggle socially and do not have the intuition that people normally have, and impaired empathy also makes it very hard to socialize when you have tp detour and intellectualize things instead of having tuition nd "gut feeling" to rely on.
And there will be no agreement to disagree. You stumbled onto something I wont let go of. Speak ill of the ill, I am your enemy.

 

[David T]

"For Aspergers, there are none"

And there are none for my daugther as well!!!!
What she has birth defects? She is defective? You know, no pity party for my daughter allowed. You are confused.

She is PERFECT in who she is because she is who she is. She is not what she has. Thats stupid.

I thought asperger folks were smarter than that? Maybe you aren't? just saying maybe you have been misdiagnosed? I know i am not that smart iq 129!!! Kinda stupid actually my daughter is perfect and you keep saying she is defective. Weird.

How you see her is how you see you. If you do not see her who loves her life, you do not see yourself. Thats Only an illusion you are creating for yourself nothing more.

Beauty is not skin deep my daughter is proof. And you think you have it so rough. Huh.....spoilt better word.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"For Aspergers, there are none"

And there are none for my daugther as well!!!!
What she has birth defects? She is defective? You know, no pity party for my daughter allowed. You are confused.

She is PERFECT in who she is because she is who she is. She is not what she has. Thats stupid.

I thought asperger folks were smarter than that? Maybe you aren't? just saying maybe you have been misdiagnosed? I know i am not that smart iq 129!!! Kinda stupid actually my daughter is perfect and you keep saying she is defective. Weird.

How you see her is how you see you. If you do not see her who loves her life, you do not see yourself. Thats Only an illusion you are creating for yourself nothing more.

Beauty is not skin deep my daughter is proof. And you think you have it so rough. Huh.....spoilt better word.


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How about you **** off because you are the one who originally claimed the ill are lazy, self-pity whelps who don't help themselves. YOU keep suggesting I keep taking my pills, but I'm on none, you keep implying I'm a lazy piece of ****--just as you do with others who have a mental illness--so **** your lame *** attempts to bring your daughter into it. How about you learn to debate like a real man instead of hiding behind a child?

 

[David T]

How about you **** off because you are the one who originally claimed the ill are lazy, self-pity whelps who don't help themselves. YOU keep suggesting I keep taking my pills, but I'm on none, you keep implying I'm a lazy piece of ****--just as you do with others who have a mental illness--so **** your lame *** attempts to bring your daughter into it. How about you learn to debate like a real man instead of hiding behind a child?

I personally have no idea why you have interjected yourself into this conversation about mental illness. You are aspergers and not on medication. That has zero to do with much in regards to the discussion as i posted it.

I should have clarified my statement i suppose at the beginning. In regards to mental illness those with diagnosis, and recieving medication the process. Getting off medications is a very difficult road. Its the hard road. The easy lazy road is to stay on your meds. We all are lazy in something.

So i have no idea why you need to continue this conversation you are irelevant to it as it was originally stated. Especially with my clarification. Although this was implicitely implied originally. Take it up with your therapist i am not talking about you.

 

[Vinayaka]

It does actually make a difference. It opens avenues for treatment (making it a necessity for insurance), and its far too easy to list examples all day where it does make a difference, such as with schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder. And, with the study, di they not realize even in physical health things overlap, look alike, and mistakes are made?

Not just insurance, but also funding for help in schools. Without a label there is no extra funding. (At least here in AB, Canada.)

 

[Erebus]

Getting off medications is a very difficult road. Its the hard road. The easy lazy road is to stay on your meds. We all are lazy in something.

I truly hope that nobody with a mental illness who might be reading this takes that statement seriously. Medication is by no means the be all and end all of therapy but for some people it's vitally important. This whole "medication is holding you back" shtick really needs to stop.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This whole "medication is holding you back" shtick really needs to stop.

It does. For some, it makes it possible to even attempt coping methods and any sort of useful cognitive-behavioral therapy.

 

[Vinayaka]

I truly hope that nobody with a mental illness who might be reading this takes that statement seriously. Medication is by no means the be all and end all of therapy but for some people it's vitally important. This whole "medication is holding you back" shtick really needs to stop.

Meds have saved so many lives.

 

[David T]

I truly hope that nobody with a mental illness who might be reading this takes that statement seriously. Medication is by no means the be all and end all of therapy but for some people it's vitally important. This whole "medication is holding you back" shtick really needs to stop.

Learn to read.
Oh i didnt say say it wasnt important please dont be so deluded. Merely staying on medications playing make believe about neurosis which is what we really are talking about is lazy.

We are talking neurosis not that hard actually. A luxury of civilization. Coddle it loves to be coddled. Only the clueless understand it as what? Please tell me? Learn to read before commenting. Stop projecting.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Learn to read.
Oh i didnt say say it wasnt important please dont be so deluded. Merely staying on medications playing make believe about neurosis which is what we really are talking about is lazy.

That's just it. You call people with a mental illness lazy, you scoff at the idea of medication, and when pushed up against a wall you hide behind a child. Shame on you!

 

[David T]

That's just it. You call people with a mental illness lazy, you scoff at the idea of medication, and when pushed up against a wall you hide behind a child. Shame on you!

Thats funny i am not lazy?! I didnt call the mentally ill lazy i said there is a hard and easy and it had zero to do with you. So stop projecting i am not talking about you at all. Meds understand meds? No. So stop it, you arent relevant to this you already said you weren't.

 

[David T]

That's just it. You call people with a mental illness lazy, you scoff at the idea of medication, and when pushed up against a wall you hide behind a child. Shame on you!

Coddling neurosis hmmm. But thats how it is for many life long meds are mandatory in that case. .

We love our neurosis more than wanting to get well to be honest. A luxury of civilization. Neurosis a terrible problem

 

[Erebus]

Learn to read.
Oh i didnt say say it wasnt important please dont be so deluded. Merely staying on medications playing make believe about neurosis which is what we really are talking about is lazy.

We are talking neurosis not that hard actually. A luxury of civilization. Coddle it loves to be coddled. Only the clueless understand it as what? Please tell me? Learn to read before commenting. Stop projecting.

I read what you typed and highlighted the part that I felt was the most ignorant and harmful. You said that staying on medication is lazy, your exact quote was, "The easy lazy road is to stay on your meds." There are only so many ways that can be interpreted, regardless of how much you might want to backpedal.