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God and Evolution

Vaziri

Islamic Philosopher
ok what? You have no thoughts on the matter, or are just being dismissive of my thoughts because you don't agree for some unstated reason? One can believe in God, while not having to believe nonsense scriptural interpretations as a prerequisite to faith. Thank God that's true, otherwise there'd be a lot more atheists about. :)
Clearly you have a lot more free time than me.. Thanks
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
It seems to be a popular trend that people who believe in God do not believe in evolution. And people who believe in evolution do not believe in God.

Obviously, there's exceptions because I am one. I believe in God and evolution. As a Muslim who believes the Quran to be true there are several scripture to support this.

It also says we come from the clay of the Earth just as Christians and Jews believe.

So if science proves we are made up of stardust and God says the same thing why do so many think otherwise?

Everything science has discovered about existence dating back to the big bang is also verifiable in the Quran.

I'm not trying to revert everyone to Islam here.. Just want to know if you believe in one and not the other then just your reason behind it.

Actually the vast majority of those who believe in a god also accept that evolution is real. Catholics are the largest of the Christian sects and they accept evolution. It's only a small minority of young Earth creationists who have an issue with evolution.
 

Wasp

Active Member
Apologize to @viole for answering what was meant for her.

I don't think how you characterize it is really the case. On the subject of evolution, I have read mountains and mountains of work, and followed the trail of links and citations, so that I feel I really understand it quite well. And that understanding has nothing to do with "faith," but rather with acceptance of a truth merely on the weight of the evidence for it, and the lack of evidence against it.
Most accept it from two sentences and then never question it.

That's your idea, your thinking. You believe yourself more capable and more knowledgeable than God.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
That is not the scientific view of micro-evolution. Micro-evolution would be just evolution on a small scale. Among Creationists it is evolution only within similar kinds.



A chart on the wall is not the science of evolution, which has been falsified beyond any reasonable doubt, and continues to increase the evidence all the time. Fundamentalist Creationists have not presented a viable alternative based on science.
We are more specific using the system of classification in common use as to where evolution stops, but type is acceptable. As to the terminology, I was informed by more than one evolutionist that micro and macro are no longer used, and weren´t used much in the 1920´s right after they were coined.

No matter, we use the term micro evolution properly. it is small scale evolution that science readily supports, small as within a ¨ type¨. Not withing the entire breadth of living things.

The alternative is way beyond science, and is something science can never explain.

So, science hypothesizes what is so, and we show the flaws in the hypotheses as far as macro evolution is concerned.
 

Vaziri

Islamic Philosopher
Actually the vast majority of those who believe in a god also accept that evolution is real. Catholics are the largest of the Christian sects and they accept evolution. It's only a small minority of young Earth creationists who have an issue with evolution.
I assure you there are a lot more Christians, Muslims, and Jews who do not believe in evolution than do...
 

Audie

Veteran Member
We are more specific using the system of classification in common use as to where evolution stops, but type is acceptable. As to the terminology, I was informed by more than one evolutionist that micro and macro are no longer used, and weren´t used much in the 1920´s right after they were coined.

No matter, we use the term micro evolution properly. it is small scale evolution that science readily supports, small as within a ¨ type¨. Not withing the entire breadth of living things.

The alternative is way beyond science, and is something science can never explain.

So, science hypothesizes what is so, and we show the flaws in the hypotheses as far as macro evolution is concerned.

"We" do? Who are "we".

What hypothesis, and what flaws?

Nobody has ever shown one datum point
contrary to ToE.

If you nor anyone can show such, then details
of this or that within the theory, that is for
specialists to work thru.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
So a poodle can come from a wolf but a man cant come from a monkey... yeah thats way different.. smh
Is a man the result of evolution from a primate ? They have much in common, but they have many differences as well.

Science once told us that Neanderthals weren´t human, but, of course they were.

I don´t believe your ancestors were baboons, but it is a good bet some were Neanderthalś.

You will have to decide what makes a human, and explain why, if modern people came from primates, none of the alleged line of intermediary forms no longer exist.

Wolves exist, dogs exist, coyoteś exist, dingoś exist, and they can all interbreed and produce offspring.

If you were so inclined, which primate species is there that you could mate with and have offspring ?
 
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