Oh, that poor "deprived" and "abused" Walmart corporation!

[Dan From Smithville]

The people have very little control, now, because capitalism has failed them, as it always will, by creating an oligarchy of corruption via huge wealth disparity. We are wildly deluded if with think we are "free" in this system. Or that we could implement any other. The current government of the U.S. represents no one but the wealthy oligarchs that bought and paid for every significant member in it. And they are steadily dismantling every law and policy that protects the citizenry from their economic exploitation and abuse. Capitalism in the U.S. has been a wild success for the very wealthy elite. They now control everything: the government, the media, the federal reserve, and they use them to continue to enrich themselves at everyone else's expense. And that 'expense" continues to increase, and with that increase comes the very real suffering of more and more people. Unnecessary suffering. And wen that suffering becomes too much for people to endure, they will revolt. They will have no choice. And in the end, it's because the richest country in the history of the world still couldn't manage to share is wealth among its citizens in an equitable manner. GREED will have made that impossible.

Yet, here you are ranting like a loon, exercising some control (power really, control is leaving the building). Not to mention that all the people you want to wantonly slaughter are people too. Of course, like any good religion, you have demonized the humanity out of your targets.

You are wildly deluded if you think we would be free in a system that was established by force and bloodshed. Where are my assurances that this would be a one off act and not how business is done? You cannot provide them. You would need to keep up the fear-inducing threat of death and dismemberment to keep you ball rolling. There would be unnecessary suffering in your utopia too.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

This just reeks of powerless victimhood.
Remember that one's outlook on life is merely that...not reality.

That is the message that I am receiving. He feels powerless and is wanting to lash out. He has found his own victims to demonize, so that he can freely vent his rage on them.

There is no point in trying to discuss things that I might actually agree about, since he has declared he is ready to burn down the house to save the family.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The beauty of capitalism is that there's no need to

Thats more with our system of governance that allows it than an economic model. We can still be Capitalist all century, but our "rights" are not safeguarded by it, and indeed this Capitalist our rights are subject to change, revision, and more likely restricted and removed (especially in cases of crime and war, where needless and unjustified restrictions are often placed upon varrious groups).

 

[Revoltingest]

That is the message that I am receiving. He feels powerless and is wanting to lash out. He has found his own victims to demonize, so that he can freely vent his rage on them.

There is no point in trying to discuss things that I might actually agree about, since he has declared he is ready to burn down the house to save the family.

Let's hope no one lets rage inspire them to start the revolution.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yet, here you are ranting like a loon, exercising some control. Not to mention that all the people you want to wantonly slaughter are people too. Of course, like any good religion, you have demonized the humanity out of your targets.

You are wildly deluded if you think we would be free in a system that was established by force and bloodshed. Where are my assurances that this would be a one off act and not how business is done? You cannot provide them. You would need to keep up the fear-inducing threat of death and dismemberment to keep you ball rolling. There would be unnecessary suffering in your utopia too.

Methinks he'd be a raging dragon, coming in the banner of liberation, cheered on while the abusive are slaughtered, but then begins the reign in blood as liberation is not what was delivered but only britality and slaughter.

 

[Curious George]

You are wildly deluded if you think we would be free in a system that was established by force and bloodshed

Does that mean you also do not believe we are in a free system now?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let's hope no one let's rage inspire them to start the revolution.

What other than anger and rage starts them? America certainly wasnt all jolly happy in its colonial days.

 

[Curious George]

Let's hope no one let's rage inspire them to start the revolution.

"lets" (the second one not the first).

 

[PureX]

I know. You have a pat answer for everything to justify acting on your personal belief in the Holy Workers Paradise.

That you personally have the ability to pick and choose who is attacked and how is an enviable ability. Do you get to have sex with all the women that join cult too or is it just the killing?

So if there is some difference between the two of us (besides the homicidal religious mania issue) it is perfectly justifiable for me to avoid rational and reasonable resolution of that issue and just slaughter. Got it.

Greed is not rational or reasonable. But it is highly contagious, and extremely toxic. So how do you suggest we deal with it, now that it has poisoned our culture to the point of totally corrupting our government, much of our media, many of our churches, and is driving an ever-increasing number of us into poverty and despair?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Does that mean you also do not believe we are in a free system now?

That is an issue I have been debating with myself over for a while now. As it stands, I believe we are as free in this system as we can be in any. We have legal and regulatory limitations, resource limitations, connection limitations and these vary with the person, but there are examples of people still coming to this country with nothing and succeeding.

How free would we be in a system that was established by killing off an arbitrarily select group of citizens? When your leaders will use those means on the victims, what reassurances are there that they will not turn their eyes to you with some made up justification?

 

[Revoltingest]

Thats more with our system of governance that allows it than an economic model.

Governance is affected by economics & vice versa.
Socialism requires an authoritarian government to prevent free economic association,
which would spread like wildfire without violent suppression. This also means quashing
free political speech, lest anyone advocate liberty.
Capitalism does not require the prevention of socialism within (so long as it's voluntary).
To commies, I say to go ahead....start your communes. It's no threat to us capitalists.

 

[Revoltingest]

Greed is not rational or reasonable. But it is highly contagious, and extremely toxic. So how do you suggest we deal with it, now that it has poisoned our culture to the point of totally corrupting our government, much of our media, many of our churches, and is driving an ever-increasing number of us into poverty and despair?

This is argument by labeling.
What real world examples do you offer as an alternative to capitalism?
Where has "greed" been eliminated?

 

[PureX]

Methinks he'd be a raging dragon, coming in the banner of liberation, cheered on while the abusive are slaughtered, but then begins the reign in blood as liberation is not what was delivered but only britality and slaughter.

Every new chance at civilization began in the bloodshed and destruction of the old ones. There isn't going to be any wiping the slate clean without it. I'm just telling you like it is. We should have stopped all this greed running amok decades ago, after WW2 and we didn't. Now the path into the abyss has been set, and I very much doubt there will be any avoiding it.

 

[Revoltingest]

What other than anger and rage starts them? America certainly wasnt all jolly happy in its colonial days.

They had more than rage....they had workable ideals & goals.
Our fulminating friend has only opposition to the singular
successful economic model....no viable alternative.

 

[Revoltingest]

"lets" (the second one not the first).

Too many posts....too little time to vet them.
That's my excuse.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Governance is affected by economics & vice versa.
Socialism requires an authoritarian government to prevent free economic association,
which would spread like wildfire without violent suppression. This also means quashing
free political speech, lest anyone advocate liberty.
Capitalism does not require the prevention of socialism within (so long as it's voluntary).
To commies, I say to go ahead....start your communes. It's no threat to us capitalists.

Capitalism failed to protect the rights of Japanese Americans during WWII. It has long failed to protect patients and medical rights. It was utterly unconcerned about the rights of black people, and it gave no damn if women could vote or not. It seems especially weak where a theocracy seems to be the goal.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Greed is not rational or reasonable. But it is highly contagious, and extremely toxic. So how do you suggest we deal with it, now that it has poisoned our culture to the point of totally corrupting our government, much of our media, many of our churches, and is driving an ever-increasing number of us into poverty and despair?

Do you really expect me to believe that after all those maniacal, homicidal rants, you are going to seek reasonable and rational discussion and consider points that others make? Really guy?

Let's see here. 68 million of these greedy ******** volunteered 8 million hours of their time and this volunteerism has been growing in this country. $185 billion dollars of volunteerism and growing. I did not find one statistic that indicated any of them had volunteered to kill people. You know the people that do pick up an AR and do that sound a lot like you.

You slammed shut the door on rational discussion with you, locked it, chained it and pile furniture against it. Whadda ya think guy? You think I am going to buy that we can now discuss it reasonably. Well, I am not close-minded, so I have to leave open the possibility, but it is a razor thin. Like the razor you would use on the children of some greedy capitalist.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Every new chance at civilization began in the bloodshed and destruction of the old ones. There isn't going to be any wiping the slate clean without it. I'm just telling you like it is. We should have stopped all this greed running amok decades ago, after WW2 and we didn't. Now the path into the abyss has been set, and I very much doubt there will be any avoiding it.

That is truly horrifying. To say "oh well" and dismiss wanton destruction and death as breaking eggshells to make an omlet. And why continue the cycle if we dont need to? Why throw that as a "this is what we must do?" And, BTW, such violence is seen typically when things are very bad. Such as slavery. But in regards to the Civil Rights Act, we didnt need another civil war.

 

[Revoltingest]

Every new chance at civilization began in the bloodshed and destruction of the old ones. There isn't going to be any wiping the slate clean without it. I'm just telling you like it is. We should have stopped all this greed running amok decades ago, after WW2 and we didn't. Now the path into the abyss has been set, and I very much doubt there will be any avoiding it.

Which system has eliminated greed?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Capitalism failed to protect the rights of Japanese Americans during WWII. It has long failed to protect patients and medical rights. It was utterly unconcerned about the rights of black people, and it gave no damn if women could vote or not. It seems especially weak where a theocracy seems to be the goal.

These are real issues. Not all of them are the result of capitalism and market economics or easily solved by those conditions either. The problem is partly time. I have read arguments that market economics would have eventually eliminated racism against black Americans, but it would have been a long time in doing it. Obviously, an issue like that cannot take that kind of time. So people did what was needed to solve the problem. Not always bloodlessly, but more that than not. Most of the bloodshed was to the people trying to effect change than from them.

Every system has problems. When people are involved the problems are magnified, because we are good at taking advantage of loopholes and weaknesses. I think the problem areas are where constructive effort should be directed and I am not ready to throw up my hands, concede defeat and start using untried or even weaker solutions.