Darkforbid
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How could you even ask? Do you think unplanned pregnancy then was a risk free event?
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Hmmmmmmmmmm!So, it's clear that your actual motive is less than honest, thus being disguised as a serious theological discussion.
Actually, if you were to know your history, the Church not only has done a lot to advance civilization, it still very much does. It teaches basic Judeo-Christian morality, including that belief is not enough and that our actions must also be moral.
But we certainly ain't perfect, and let me add this is also true of agnostics. So, you maybe work on cleaning your house and I'll work on cleaning mine. Anything less for either of us is just being hypocritical.
You said in a previous post that you have high respect for your children, and that's great, imo. But let's say that one of your kids comes home with someone that they intends to marry, and it turns out that (s)he is a Catholic. What's your reaction? Will you respect your son's/daughter's wishes or lecture them? Is it being respectful if you don't accept their choice? Will they respect you if you are not willing to accept the faith they may both end up in?Hmmmmmmmmmm!
Honour seems to mean the same as worship to me. I don't worship anyone or anything.
I wouldn't agree.sooda,
re: " Do you revere your mother?"
I'm kinda with JJ50 on this one. And as far as scripture is concerned neither did the Messiah. In fact 2 out of the 3 times He spoke to her, He seemed to be a bit perturbed with her. And the 3rd time He merely told her to look at her son.
Also, He only spoke 2 times with regard to what someone said about her and again His response couldn't be considered very flattering.
Mentioned once in Acts. But does that detract from what she did? And her importance? The Epistles didn't mention Thomas either, that I know of. But he still was an Apostle.metis,
re: "She's mentioned 54 times..."
I think it's interesting, though, that Mary is not mentioned by any of the writers in the New Testament Epistles including the one to the church at Rome as well as the two by Peter.
Sounds like this isn’t really about Mary, but that you have other issues. Namely, paedophile priests.The Catholics have turned Mary into some kind of saint, whereas apart from the virgin birth tale, the gospel writers don't mention her much at all. Even that son of hers doesn't seem to have included her in his group of disciples. The idea of going to a confessional and being given hail marys to say, the number depending on how naughty you have been, seems like superstitious nonsense to me. I wonder how many paedophile priests had to say before they were patted on the head by the church hierarchy and in effect given leave to abuse again?
I am a sucker for the la pieta incredible.You know, we could mind our own business and let them revere the mother of Jesus as they like. Do you revere your mother?
As a practising Catholic I would contest that characterisation quite strongly. If you attend Sunday mass you will find there is relatively little mention of Mary.But Catholics pray to her, they construct icons to her, they worship her. It's been noted that she commands more worship, prayer and attention among Catholics than Jesus does.
There are crucifixes all over the place within a Catholic church and in many a Catholic home, and they all have Jesus on the cross. Not so with Mary. Many women especially feel comfortable praying through another woman.
Again, it is not Mary that is to be worshiped as that is forbidden under Canon Law, and this is covered in the "Catechism of the Catholic Church". She can be venerated, as a statue of her or Jesus can be, but not worshiped as if she was a deity.
When Jesus was on the cross, Jesus said to the apostle John, "take thee thy mother", and that reference was to Mary. She has often been considered the "Mother of the Church" because of this.
BTW, Hindus obviously use a great many statues, right?
I don't know this prayer. Do you mean "Hail Mary"?Yet more people bow down to the Mary icon than they do the crucifix. They repeat a prayer: "Holy Mary, Mother of Christ...." more frequently than any prayer addressed directly to Jesus or to the trinity. I've seen people "take the knee" before a Mary icon, speak to her, pray to her. This strikes me as worship, and her statue an icon, whatever the official explanation/denial may be.
...and the one-track record starts once more.........When Jesus was on the cross, Jesus said to the apostle John, "take thee thy mother", and that reference was to Mary the wife of Cleophas, who is one and the same person as Alphaeus the father of James the brother of Jesus and the younger of Mary's sons.
As a practising Catholic I would contest that characterisation quite strongly. If you attend Sunday mass you will find there is relatively little mention of Mary.
Catholics do not "worship" Mary, just as they do not worship other saints. They are venerated and people do pray to them, on the touching basis that they may "intercede" with God on their behalf. People sometimes pray to a saint because they are, sort of, too shy to ask God directly and they feel the saint may relate more to whatever their issue is. Mary has a special place among the saints because she is a mother figure. She thus provides an outlet for those feelings people have that call for maternal love and care, as opposed to the drier and more austere image of God as father.
I know that if you go to a place reeking of old-style Catholic superstition, such as Lourdes, you will get a different impression, but after all, that is a shrine to Mary, so it is not so surprising. (I hate that sort of thing, by the way.)
You know, we could mind our own business and let them revere the mother of Jesus as they like. Do you revere your mother?
Mary is more than a saint. She is the mother of God and Queen of Heaven. That Mary isn't talked about extensively in the Gospel narratives in no way detracts from our recognition of her role in our salvation. The truths of the faith are contained in both Scripture and Sacred Tradition.The Catholics have turned Mary into some kind of saint, whereas apart from the virgin birth tale, the gospel writers don't mention her much at all.
The role of the Apostles were as founding bishops of the Church. Such was not Mary's role ergo she was not ranked among the Apostles.Even that son of hers doesn't seem to have included her in his group of disciples.
It's what Christ commands, not what you think that's important.The idea of going to a confessional and being given hail marys to say, the number depending on how naughty you have been, seems like superstitious nonsense to me.
I would wager that the actively homosexual and pederast priests aren't going to confession all that often. A valid confession requires contrition, and a sincere resolution to reform. No half way decent confessor would let someone guilty of sodomizing altar boys off with a Hail Mary, as he himself would be guilty of gross negligence and thus sin.I wonder how many paedophile priests had to say before they were patted on the head by the church hierarchy and in effect given leave to abuse again?