Who will get to heaven?

[URAVIP2ME]

Thank you. I do not question your intelligence or understanding. I simple state again - I do not see a translation in Quran or Bible that uses "heaven" as a place where people go after death.

I wonder where you think God's kingdom ( of ' thy kingdom come' ) is located _____________
After God resurrected dead Jesus I find we find Jesus in Heaven according to Hebrews 9:24.

Jesus ' brothers ' (Like those of Luke 22:28-30) are like the ' brothers' of 1Corinthians 15th chapter.
Like dead Jesus (Acts of the Apostles 24:15) the place where people go after death is the: grave.
In other words, until a person is resurrected to Heaven or a physical resurrection on Earth they are in the grave.
KJV uses the English word ' hell ' which is mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
unconscious 'Sleep in death' is what the Bible really teaches - Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
This is why Jesus taught sleep in death at John 11:11-14.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I agree with you completely my friend. We will be raised up. But many people believe we will be raised up to "heaven" and I am simply saying that nothing in sacred scriptures uses the word "heaven" I do not know why and thought someone might have ideas about this. Thanks for your words.

On the thousand-year Resurrection Day ( meaning Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth ) there will be an earthly resurrection for the majority of mankind.
Those who have a part in the first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20:6 are like those of Luke 22:28-30.
They are considered like Jesus ' brothers ' of 1 Corinthians 15th chapter.
Whereas, for the majority of mankind can have a later happy-and-healthy physical resurrection.
This is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Once again, this is all very nice and possibly true. But my question has not been answered. I do not care if heaven is a place or a demension or a state of mind. I am looking for a Bible verse that says anyone will go there. I still have not found it.

Any thoughts about Hebrews 9:24 __________________

 

[Jos]

Lessons are learned by Living it! Discovery takes will and work. There is so much right before your eyes. Are you waiting for things to come to you? Are you looking to Believe? Everything I have said can be Discovered by you without blindly believing or waiting to be convinced by others. Nothing is hidden. Your journey has never depended on me. I merely point you in a direction forward.

So you did learn all this through the exercise? Did God speak in an audible voice?

 

[JJ50]

On the thousand-year Resurrection Day ( meaning Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth ) there will be an earthly resurrection for the majority of mankind.
Those who have a part in the first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20:6 are like those of Luke 22:28-30.
They are considered like Jesus ' brothers ' of 1 Corinthians 15th chapter.
Whereas, for the majority of mankind can have a later happy-and-healthy physical resurrection.
This is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......

Unlikely in the extreme, imo.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I find the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus appeared before his God as per Hebrew 9:24.(see the words 'Heaven itself')
I think most people conclude that when Jesus says 'the world will see him no more' conclude Heaven at John 14:19.
I find ' New Jerusalem ' of Revelation 3:12; 21:2 is the New Jerusalem ' above ' as per Galatians 4:26.
So, since Pentecost for Christians it is ' spiritual Jerusalem ' or ' heavenly Jerusalem ' above ' - Galatians 4:26.
That heavenly rulership ' comes down ' just as heavenly Jesus in Heaven is the head of the Christian congregation.
Remember: we do Not pray for Heaven to come, but for God's kingdom to come ( thy kingdom come ).
Jesus is king of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring heavenly blessings to Earth such as described in Isaiah 35th chapter, Revelation 22:2.
For in Heaven there is No sickness and No death but here on Earth there is - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
Under Christ's reign over Earth ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth just as there is No death in Heaven.

I like your last line. There will be no sickness ON EARTH. Many believe God's kingdom will be ON EARTH. That is why I am still looking for a verse that says anyone will "go to heaven", I still have not found it. Since most Christians believe they may "go to heaven" some day , you would think that would be very clear in the Bible, but it is not. Thank you for your input.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Any thoughts about Hebrews 9:24 __________________

Of course Christ is in heaven. I am talking about humans who hope to go to heaven after they die. Nothing in the Bible promises this. In fact "the meek shall inherit the EARTH". Why would you want to be meek and get stuck on earth of others are going to heaven?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I wonder where you think God's kingdom ( of ' thy kingdom come' ) is located _____________
After God resurrected dead Jesus I find we find Jesus in Heaven according to Hebrews 9:24.

Jesus ' brothers ' (Like those of Luke 22:28-30) are like the ' brothers' of 1Corinthians 15th chapter.
Like dead Jesus (Acts of the Apostles 24:15) the place where people go after death is the: grave.
In other words, until a person is resurrected to Heaven or a physical resurrection on Earth they are in the grave.
KJV uses the English word ' hell ' which is mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
unconscious 'Sleep in death' is what the Bible really teaches - Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
This is why Jesus taught sleep in death at John 11:11-14.

The Kingdom is sometimes called the Kingdom of God. It is certainly not IN God. It is also call the Kingdom OF Heaven. That is not mean it has to be IN heaven. There is a branch of the Bank OF Englan In New York City. It is the Bank OF England but not IN Eng;and. Of course we are playing with words. But once again if a vast majority of Christian believe they may someday go to heaven then I think that should be very clear in the Bible. It is not God is in heaven and Jesus is in heaven and God will send Jesus to reign over a Kingdom on earth. This is where people will have a chance to go after they die.

 

[Bird123]

So you did learn all this through the exercise? Did God speak in an audible voice?

A Hungry student learns all their life. The exercise is just to allow you to see who you are.

God is a Spiritual Being just as we are. I have had contact with God. I understand why so many are not ready for such an experience. Equally, I understand why God does not direct contact most people.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you did learn all this through the exercise? Did God speak in an audible voice?

God does not speak to ordinary people directly.
God only speaks to His Chosen Messengers, who are normally referred to as Prophets.
Imo, anyone else who claims that God spoke to them is delusional.
Anyone can imagine God speaks to them.

 

[Muffled]

The deeds attributed to the god character are evil. You seem to be viewing it through rose coloured spectacles. Of course it is more than likely it doesn't actually exist, I hope that is the case.

I believe you think you are God and can decide what is good and evil. I am sure that is not the case.

I believe I see things through God's eyes. So my vision is always going to be 20/20.

I believe I do exist; so the fact that you think you can ignore me is now dropping away.

 

[Muffled]

Arabic

فَمَنِ ابْتَغَىٰ وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُونَ
Sher Ali

But those, who seek anything beyond that are the transgressors -
Arabic

وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِأَمَانَاتِهِمْ وَعَهْدِهِمْ رَاعُونَ
Sher Ali

And who are watchful of their trusts and their covenants,
Arabic

وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَلَىٰ صَلَوَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ
Sher Ali

And who are strict in the observance of their Prayers.
Arabic

أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْوَارِثُونَ
Sher Ali

These are the heirs,
Arabic

الَّذِينَ يَرِثُونَ الْفِرْدَوْسَ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
Sher Ali

Who will inherit Paradise. They will abide therein for ever.
al-Mu`minun 23:11

This is my understanding from Quran, others could believe differently as per their religion/no-religion or faith/no-faith, please. Right, please?

Regards

I believe I saw a lot of "alls" but no Heaven.

 

[Muffled]

If you read the last line you will see it says they will inherit "paradise". Can you be completely sure that paradise means the same as heaven> The Bible is the same way. It says people may enter God's kingdom but why can't God be king of the earth? I continue to say there is nothing in Bible or Quran that actually says HEAVEN and that people will go there after death.

I believe Jesus said the thief would be with Jesus in paradise but Jesus did use Heaven in other sayings so he knows the difference. The truth is we don't know where He went after He ascended.

I believe that is a good question since I am not familiar with the context and it is a translation from the Arabic so often the original concept gets lost.

I believe it is possible fro people to go there but I don't see it as a guarantee.

 

[JJ50]

I believe you think you are God and can decide what is good and evil. I am sure that is not the case.

I believe I see things through God's eyes. So my vision is always going to be 20/20.

I believe I do exist; so the fact that you think you can ignore me is now dropping away.

If the god character's idea of good and evil is as screwed up as it appears to be, far better the human vision of it.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I believe you think you are God and can decide what is good and evil. I am sure that is not the case.

I believe I see things through God's eyes. So my vision is always going to be 20/20.

I believe I do exist; so the fact that you think you can ignore me is now dropping away.

With all due respect, anyone who thinks they can see or understand God 20/20 is badly mistaken. God's mind and sight are a million times more advanced than any human's. We can only hope to see and understand a very tiny part of God's mind.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I believe Jesus said the thief would be with Jesus in paradise but Jesus did use Heaven in other sayings so he knows the difference. The truth is we don't know where He went after He ascended.

I believe that is a good question since I am not familiar with the context and it is a translation from the Arabic so often the original concept gets lost.

I believe it is possible fro people to go there but I don't see it as a guarantee.

Many people believe many things and many of them are wrong. I repeat once again. 99% of Christians hope to go to heaven when they die. But nothing in the Bible used the word heaven and says anyone goes there. I do not know why and cannot explain it. But I think something that so many people believe should be very plain in the Bible. That's all.

 

[Riders]

“The nature of heaven is to provide a place there for all who lead good lives, no matter what their religion may be.”
― Emanuel Swedenborg

My question: Why not?

When Jesus was asked how to be saved by the rich man he quoted the 10 commandments which are in all religions. Then asked again when he said he was keeping the commandments, Jesus said pick up your cross follow me sell what you own and give to the poor.Its still an action, nothing there about accepting Jesus as God and lord in response to an alter call in a church service.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Unlikely in the extreme, imo.

A lot of people might agree with you, after all none of us have seen a resurrection.
To me when we put the pieces together we get a complete picture of what we can really learn from the Bible.
Besides the Bible speaking about a resurrection for the dead, it also talks about the living.
There is a ' time of separation ' coming on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
This is likely, and Not extreme, because we are nearing that ' final signal ' so to speak, as per 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3
When the 'powers that be' will be saying, " Peace and Security..." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.9.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Many people believe many things and many of them are wrong. I repeat once again. 99% of Christians hope to go to heaven when they die. But nothing in the Bible used the word heaven and says anyone goes there. I do not know why and cannot explain it. But I think something that so many people believe should be very plain in the Bible. That's all.

I would say more like 99% of 'so-called Christians' hope for a heavenly resurrection.
The Bible lets us know Jesus had a heavenly resurrection as per Hebrew 9:24.
Those called to Heaven (Philippians 3:10) have a sooner resurrection - Revelation 20:6
Since they govern with Jesus, and Jesus is in Heaven, then they are in Heaven with Jesus - Revelation 5:9-10
However, those who died before Jesus died (John 3:13 ) they can have an earthly physical resurrection.
The figurative ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:37 are alive on Earth and they can remain alive on Earth (Proverbs 2:21-22)
and can continue to live on Earth and gain eternal life on Earth just as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe Jesus said the thief would be with Jesus in paradise but Jesus did use Heaven in other sayings so he knows the difference. The truth is we don't know where He went after He ascended.

Seems to me Heaven is obvious because Heaven is where we find the resurrected ascended Jesus - Hebrew 9:24.
The ascended Jesus ascended into Heaven itself to appear in the presence of his God.
Where is God located but in Heaven as per 1 Kings 8:39,45,49