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AROUND THE WORLDYes, Canada is Actually Arresting Christian Pastors and Banning Them From Preaching

SugarOcean

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Matthew 6:5-8 New International Version (NIV)
Prayer
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

You would imagine then that Jesus himself sinned per that instruction. As we recall, Jesus prayed aloud and instructed the masses who attended his sermon from the mountain, how to pray. "Our Father who art in Heaven...."

While preaching to the public out of doors is not the same as praying. If it were considered such then indeed Jesus would have violated his own instruction there in Matthew 6 on both counts. Prayer and preaching.

That verse you cite is actually warning against praying for prideful reasons. While the Christian is in relationship with the source of all that exists and therefore our living is prayer without ceasing.
And when we preach in buildings constructed by mortal hands, where God said he does not dwell, we are gathered together as temples containing that holy spirit and therefore God does dwell within us there. And indeed is everywhere we are and within us.
I have never been led to proselytize door to door, nor preach in the streets. However, those who are led to do so and not by ego, do so out of love. Not hubris. For what escapes those who think to mock us is this. We believe in God and the good news he sent to the world through His Word, as The Word made flesh in Emmanuel ("God with us").
We believe that.
And as such since we gave our life to the faith that tells us what this life means and what awaits after, we seek to tell others about that. And the reason is because God knows for whom the message of Salv-ation shall resonate. And it is those one's whom shall find their way to The Way. Whether we speak aloud on a street in Toronto Canada, or from the pulpit in Ink Ohio.
You see, it isn't us that leads people to Christ in those ways. Rather it is us who calls out to those whom are awaiting to be called . Wherever they may be. Holy spirit dwells within us. Those who minister speak from that place if they are truly of God. While those who are not ministers still teach by example. Even when they falter as human beings displaying temper, or what have you. They are still the living testimony that God heals and saves the human condition.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
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It comes from a silly song that has no intention of being taken seriously.
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yet pay so much attention to in places like this,
Most of my activity here is LGBT or politically related, or just random stuff. This is also the only forum Im on, and outside of here the only time religion is a thought on my mind is when someone else brings it up.
I would have hoped you'd think more of yourself than to be proudly damned.
It took a lot of effort to get here. Why should I not be proud that where once I was a lost lamb but now I burn with the intensity of a thousand infernos. Self ownership is a privilege few indulge in. I went from being nothing, and now I'm at least five stories high, and I keep growing taller. If things keep going my way, within a few yers I'll be around 10 stories high, and looking to grow even taller. And for me Growing really only began after I embraced Lucifer.
You see, that's the difference between us.
You said it, not me.
 

SugarOcean

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It comes from a silly song that has no intention of being taken seriously.
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Most of my activity here is LGBT or politically related, or just random stuff. This is also the only forum Im on, and outside of here the only time religion is a thought on my mind is when someone else brings it up.

It took a lot of effort to get here. Why should I not be proud that where once I was a lost lamb but now I burn with the intensity of a thousand infernos. Self ownership is a privilege few indulge in. I went from being nothing, and now I'm at least five stories high, and I keep growing taller. If things keep going my way, within a few yers I'll be around 10 stories high, and looking to grow even taller. And for me Growing really only began after I embraced Lucifer.

You said it, not me.
I have never pretended to know your journey. I know what you show me about yourself when you write your posts. As I show you me in the same way.

From what you've just shared I'll say I will never pretend to know your journey or what you've suffered prior to this moment. You are proud you overcame your obstacles. I don't know them and would never presume to trespass on that privacy and ask. That you overcame them and it made you a better person, if it did, is a blessing.
Even if you don't believe in that.

I will share with you a bit about my journey and as such a tad piece of advice.
Overcoming hurdles seemingly meant to do you harm or even kill you takes strength, determination, and a sense of self that realizes one is able to reach deep down and be a victor rather than a victim.
Sadly, there are many who are not that fortunate and they do not make it out, or over those hurdles with their life. God have mercy.

While we can overcome and be stronger than we were before is glorious. However, if we take with us the residue of darkness that tried to swallow us , if we feel rage, anger, etc... having overcome, we are still in the shadows of that past. And have not actually overcome as much as we think. Because we carry the residue of the oppression and the dark emotions that generated while thinking we strove to enter freedom and the light. And that gives that former darkness power still.

There is only now.
Freedom from that which thought to consume us, whatever it was, means being washed clean of all of it. ALL of it.
It doesn't happen overnight. It is a process.
In my faith that is ritualized in Baptism. In Judaism its like is called the Mikveh. A submersion rite so as to attain "ritual purity". It is ceremony, mind over matter.

You don't have to be a Christian or seeking to convert to the faith to wash away the remains of the darkness that may cling in the form of anger, frustration, rage, that holds on so as to affect your present moment with the emotional reminders of your past.
You are worth more in this life than the darkness that once called you its own.
Whether you accept this or not it is of sincere intent and heart; May God bless and keep you all your days. May God's light fall on the path you take moment to moment and keep you safe. May the reflection that gazes back at you from silvered glass show love and peace behind your eyes as one worthy of such blessing. And may you always find it and it in turn find you.
Amen.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I would suggest you study on how the Canon was formed.
And then consider how the epistles, letters, of a man who never heard the living Jesus speak, nor saw him, is the source for nearly 2/3rds of the new testament.

Saul, who was of the order, Pharisee, that Jesus called:Ye blind guides (Matt. 23:16),Ye fools (Matt. 23:17), Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees…for ye are like whited supulchres…full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness (Matt. 23:27), Ye serpents (Matt. 23:33) , Ye generation of vipers (Matt. 23:33), Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! (Luke 11:44), Ye are as graves which appear not (Luke 11:44). (Source)

Matthew 23:33
Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
…32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your fathers. 33You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell? 34 Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.

How can we imagine Jesus would return to Heaven and then ordain a man of that order Jesus condemned to deliver His Gospel? When Saul was on a mission to murder apostate Jews at the time of the vision on the Damascus road.

While the enemy of God, that which appeared to us in scripture first as a serpent, remained as prince of this world after Jesus ascension. And would indeed be in kind with Saul who was seeking out and killing Jews who turned to follow the Messiah Jesus. He whom the Pharisee wanted to be murdered by Rome on the charge of blasphemy.

Further, when you ask how can someone deny Saul was an Apostle my short answer is very simple.
Jesus told me to. And he told you to as well. Matthew 24. In short, Jesus said do not believe anyone who comes after He has ascended and claims to have seen him.
What hubris that Saul would imagine he was ordained to finish Jesus work by bringing the gospel to Gentiles. When Jesus had charged his actual Disciples with this task.
However, it would make sense that Saul was to bring a contradictory teaching in the name of Jesus when led by the spirit that remained on this earth as that which is averse to the good news.

It is really simple. Jesus said do not believe Saul when he comes forth and claims to have met the Christ on the Damascus road. (Summarizing Matthew 24)

Fear? No, I don't fear believing what Christ commanded concerning those who would come after him performing signs and wonders, bringing false doctrine, that would deceive even the elect. Do not believe them.
I follow Jesus. Not Saul. Jesus warned of Saul. Saul contradicted Jesus.

It isn't hard to decide who was of God and who was not. A man that never met Jesus, never saw him, never heard him preach, occupies with his writings the majority of God's new covenant teachings concerning Messiah.
That alone should lead any Christian to question why. When it is the Gospel of Christ Jesus that saves and yet his words occupy so little of the NT. While Saul's, who contradicted Jesus teachings and did not know the most basic things about him, occupies the most.

I see it as a test. Jesus commanded, do not believe those who would come after him and claim to have seen him. Much less are being taught by him to teach contrary to what Jesus died to deliver as God's word.

Those who follow Christ obey Christ.
Those who do not consider what Christ warned against, while Saul later would fit precisely the warning Jesus gave against such people, err.

But there's always time to reconsider. You see, the Epistles are not God's words. They are the letters of Saul of Tarsus who asks you to believe from time to time what he wrote was of God. However, when God told you prior to Saul's arrival do not believe someone who arrives as Saul did, claiming to have met Jesus on the road to Damascus, performs signs and wonders so as to claim that lends proof he is of God and an Apostle , 2 Corinthians 12, you have to decide who knows more?
And whom do you follow and believe?
God?
Or that one which God told you not to?

It is apparent that you have made up your mind about this.....and you can believe as you wish, I have only one thing to say.....
If the Bible is the word of God, then what are Paul's writings doing in there? If Paul was a false apostle then surely God would have eliminated his contributions from the Christian scriptures. Please don't tell me you believe that the Catholic church had anything to do with selecting the books that would be included in the final product.

Is it God's word...or men's? If we cannot believe all of it...then logically we should believe none of it.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
This is why Jesus told his followers not to be a part of that system. It is the voters put these people in office and so must share responsibility for what those leaders do with the power that they gave them.

Look how much money is wasted on political campaigns! How much of that money could be put to much better use? The wealthy backers of political candidates have a lot to gain by riding on the backs of those who are in power. It's a very flawed system. Power always results in corruption, but humans never learn....therefore they are doomed to blindly keep repeating the same mistakes. When have human rulers ever done any real and lasting good for their nation? The whole system is working against every good intention (if they actually have any) No wonder people in democratic nations have taken to the streets....they are fed up with the lies and failed promises. But no one has a better system to put in its place.....until now.

Globalisation, under the auspices of the UN, has been on the drawing boards for decades, waiting for the right time to introduce it. When it is offered, it will seem like a good solution to the world's current problems, but interestingly, the Bible predicted this situation 2000 years ago. This form of rulership will be totalitarian, robbing the world's citizens of all of the freedoms they have fought for. It will be introduced as the only way to bring "peace and security" to the world.....but there will be a sting in the tail. It will be at the expense of personal freedom. The enforcers are trained and ready in all nations to ensure compliance with the new laws.....combat gear...jackboots and all. Be prepared.....it is coming......but for the majority, its impact will be unexpected.

Globalism isn't the boogey man you think it is.

Where do you get this stuff about jackboots and the lack of freedom? ...Its been around since the Bonze age .. Every country doesn't have copper. Trade.. commerce between nations enhances peace..

Who benefits from ranting about paranoia?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Stop lying. Lying to further persecution-for-Jesus-fantasy is bearing false witness and explicitly condemned in the 10 commandments. It doesn't help your cause, it only serves to alienate others and inspire contempt for Christianity. Stop. Doing. It.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Globalism isn't the boogey man you think it is.

Where do you get this stuff about jackboots and the lack of freedom? ...Its been around since the Bonze age .. Every country doesn't have copper. Trade.. commerce between nations enhances peace..

Who benefits from ranting about paranoia?
Self fulfilling prophecy. Shriek mindlessly and endlessly about how everyone's against you, turns everyone against you.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Globalism isn't the boogey man you think it is.

Where do you get this stuff about jackboots and the lack of freedom?

Its all in the Revelation. We see the enforcers all trained and ready to make sure that all conform to the new ruling authority.

Have you not noticed that the majority of westerners have forgotten how to be self-sufficient?
The system now supplies everything we need for life....food, water, fuel, transport, currency, electricity.....what would you do if someone took down the power grid tomorrow? How dependent are we on the system? Bit by bit we have given them power over us.
The Revelation indicates that 'no one will be able to buy or sell' without authority from the new governmental arrangement. They will have absolute control over all resources.

Who benefits from ranting about paranoia?

Its a fait accompli....there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. No point in being paranoid about it, any more than Noah was about the flood. God showed him how to survive it....he has shown us how to survive this coming catastrophe too. It won't last long, but it will end badly for those who thought Globalism was going to solve the world's problems......if we aren't putting our faith and trust in God and in his Kingdom, and doing what we are instructed to do now, then there will be no way to survive what's coming. (Matthew 24:21-22)

That is what I believe the Bible says will happen in the not too distant future. Batten down the hatches...we are in for a bumpy ride.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
It is apparent that you have made up your mind about this.....and you can believe as you wish, I have only one thing to say.....
If the Bible is the word of God, then what are Paul's writings doing in there? If Paul was a false apostle then surely God would have eliminated his contributions from the Christian scriptures. Please don't tell me you believe that the Catholic church had anything to do with selecting the books that would be included in the final product.

Is it God's word...or men's? If we cannot believe all of it...then logically we should believe none of it.
What a ridiculous false dichotomy.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Stop lying. Lying to further persecution-for-Jesus-fantasy is bearing false witness and explicitly condemned in the 10 commandments. It doesn't help your cause, it only serves to alienate others and inspire contempt for Christianity. Stop. Doing. It.

Look at the people who are terrified of commerce of "globalism".. They tend towards being poor and uneducated..
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It is still there as a command.
And I have no such offense when one insists on providing evidences for all to witness. As you said, you are of the Devil. (Isaiah 14:12) And as I said previously, with note of your chosen signature, and you affirm again and again , even bragging here; your prayers have been answered.

I don't know you at all. However, I would have hoped you'd think more of yourself than to be proudly damned.
We could all be wrong about what comes next. If I'm wrong at least my legacy will be one of living in the light of Christ. If you're wrong and we whom you hate, mock, and yet pay so much attention to in places like this, it will be too late for repentance. And I would never now even consider saying of that future you could face and with smug pride; I told you so.
You see, that's the difference between us.
What happens if we all die and find out that Thor is waiting to judge us and doesn't care about repentence of any of that Christian stuff? Or any of the other thousands of god(s) that humans have worshiped?
I mean, it's not really an either/or type of situation here.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Saul, who was of the order, Pharisee, that Jesus called:Ye blind guides (Matt. 23:16),Ye fools (Matt. 23:17), Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees…for ye are like whited supulchres…full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness (Matt. 23:27),....

Are you saying none of them could become -- or became -- Christians?

Read Acts of the Apostles 15:5-6.

Some people are willing to change their way of life, to become approved. Saul/Paul was one.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
Globalism isn't the boogey man you think it is.

Where do you get this stuff about jackboots and the lack of freedom? ...Its been around since the Bonze age .. Every country doesn't have copper. Trade.. commerce between nations enhances peace..

Who benefits from ranting about paranoia?
It is what happens when a person decides that paranoid conspiracy theories are sound reasoning to base decisions on. Corporations are the tools of the Devil and they control everything.

I wonder why a person like that would even bother to post on the internet, when they are just waiting around for the doom of the world that is happening tomorrow. No. The next day. No. The day after that. No. Some other day...next month...next year...1914...whenever.
 

SugarOcean

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It is apparent that you have made up your mind about this.....
I've studied the Bible and various disciplines linked with my faith for years.
There are also Bible scholars that are critical of Saul. And not all the Apostles accepted him.

and you can believe as you wish, I have only one thing to say.....
If the Bible is the word of God, then what are Paul's writings doing in there? If Paul was a false apostle then surely God would have eliminated his contributions from the Christian scriptures. Please don't tell me you believe that the Catholic church had anything to do with selecting the books that would be included in the final product.

Is it God's word...or men's? If we cannot believe all of it...then logically we should believe none of it.
Actually it isn't an all or nothing matter.

To believe Saul's words is to believe Jesus didn't accomplish what he was born and died for. Saul states at least three different times in his writings that he is delivering his gospel. His words are that of, "my gospel".
Not one of the actual Apostles of Christ ever referred to Saul as an Apostle. Though Saul assumed that title of his own volition.
If you believe all of the Bible then why would you ignore Jesus warning about false teachers, and ignore the fact that Saul's arrival and action long after are identical to what Jesus warned against believing.

Jesus' words came first.

Revelation 2 is Jesus inspired words to Apostle John when John was banished to the isle of Patmos. Verse 2 is Jesus referring to Saul.

God did not canonize the new testament. Men did. Men compiled the Bible. Men! The history of the Bible is fascinating in how it came to exist as what we have today. You should look into that. It is quite a study and very time consuming but well worth it. You'll then learn why Saul's letters were the majority text in the canonized new testament.



HOW WAS THE BIBLE DISTRIBUTED BEFORE THE PRINTING PRESS WAS INVENTED IN 1455?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I've studied the Bible and various disciplines linked with my faith for years.
There are also Bible scholars that are critical of Saul. And not all the Apostles accepted him.

Actually it isn't an all or nothing matter.

I believe it is. The crux of this question is......"is the Bible the word of God or the words of men?" This is where we diverge. You accept the words of men over scripture, their 'scholarship' notwithstanding, you trust them more than you trust God's ability to preserve the integrity of his own word.
If you accept only parts of it, on whose authority do you accept those parts and reject others? Do you see the problem?

To believe Saul's words is to believe Jesus didn't accomplish what he was born and died for. Saul states at least three different times in his writings that he is delivering his gospel. His words are that of, "my gospel".

Could I have references for that please....? Paul was specific when giving his own recommendations on various things. He said "I, not the Lord", so he never ascribed to Jesus what he personally thought was good counsel.

Not one of the actual Apostles of Christ ever referred to Saul as an Apostle. Though Saul assumed that title of his own volition.

Paul was not one of the 12 and never claimed to be. His was an assignment specifically to take the good news to the Gentile nations. His qualifications made him a good choice because the 12 were not equipped educationally to go where Paul went and to address those to whom Paul spoke.

If you believe all of the Bible then why would you ignore Jesus warning about false teachers, and ignore the fact that Saul's arrival and action long after are identical to what Jesus warned against believing.

Because I don't believe that God's word contains the teachings of those who would lead Jesus' disciples down the wrong track....satan used the churches to do that. That is what he foretold. If Paul's words are counterfeit Christianity, then God would be to blame for allowing false testimony to be taught as scripture.
You obviously don't trust God to provide the truth in his own book. :shrug:

Jesus' words came first.

When did Paul contradict Jesus?

Revelation 2 is Jesus inspired words to Apostle John when John was banished to the isle of Patmos. Verse 2 is Jesus referring to Saul.

You can interpret it that way if you wish, but Paul himself issued the same warnings. (Acts 20:29-30; 2 Corinthians 11:13)

God did not canonize the new testament. Men did. Men compiled the Bible. Men! The history of the Bible is fascinating in how it came to exist as what we have today. You should look into that. It is quite a study and very time consuming but well worth it. You'll then learn why Saul's letters were the majority text in the canonized new testament.

God used men to write it too.....it's still God's word. You seem to doubt God's ability to have his own thoughts preserved for all generations as he wanted them recorded. If he was to allow his word to be corrupted, then what other parts are untrustworthy? If you shoot down the Bible writers because you want to imply sinister motives to them, you undermine the authenticity of the whole book.

It is all God's word....or none of it is. To say otherwise is to argue with scripture. I argue with none of it.


No need to shout.

It was hand copied. And the period between when the writing of the Bible's final book was completed, (end of the first century) up until the beginning of the "time of the end" (according to Daniels prophesies) was a dark time when it was foretold that the devil would sow his weeds of fake Christianity and lead the majority of people away from Christ's teaching by doing exactly what Judaism did....adopting the traditions of men and substituting them for the word of God.

Those dark times also saw the word of God taken away from the common man and secreted away for only a select few to ponder. This gave rise to all manner of false ideas being presented as truth because ordinary people were not educated and had to take the words of those men for what the Bible contained. They told lies that are still around as 'gospel' to this day.

The one thing that God did not allow, was the corruption of scripture itself. Men could put all manner of false interpretation on the meanings of its words, but never were they permitted to alter its message. This is true of all scripture and I have studied it deeply for the last 47 years. The one thing I do not rely on is the opinion of men corrupted by Christendom's pathetic interpretations of God's word to form my beliefs. Look at its sad and sorry state....divided into literally thousands of bickering fragments, none of whom reflect Christ's teachings in the slightest. If Christ came back tomorrow Matthew 7:21-23 would see its fulfillment.

That is how I see it.
 
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