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Quebec’s Bill 21, Now a Law, Foolishly Bans Religious Symbols for State Workers

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I honestly don't know that we know enough of the action and interaction between individuals to make the absolute claim that "it causes no harm." If it were somehow concretely proven that to believe in God without evidentiary warrant opens one up to detrimental modes of thinking, then someone reinforcing another's potential belief in such things could be said to be "harm" of a sort. Since this possibility hasn't been ruled out, absolute assurance that "it causes no harm" is also not warranted.

It is exactly the same way in which I am not warranted making the absolute claim that "there is no God."
Its not your life, so its not your concern. Just as if someone smokes. They know the risks, and still they light up. Thats on them. Just don't blow it on me.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Yup. The highly religious but officially secular US compared to the pfficially religious yet far more secular in practice Europe really does show it doesnt matter how things are run on paper.

French Terror, Nazism and Communism ring a bell?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Where exactly in their plans was Marx really that much of an influence or inspiration? Where exactly did Marks write his blue prints?

I was just talking about Marx's envy complex and his failures in life which found its way into his work. Both of which is the bases for the oppression/oppressed dynamic conning the masses with an envy complex.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Its not your life, so its not your concern. Just as if someone smokes. They know the risks, and still they light up. Thats on them. Just don't blow it on me.
But that is it, exactly... "just don't blow it on me."

If someone sees that someone else is wearing a particular piece of religiously-affiliated clothing, and they go ask the other about it, then they strike up a conversation that goes really well, and then the person who thought to ask about it gets it in their head that the conversation was "meant to be", and then they go forth with the idea to join this religion because of the positive experience they had talking to this other person, and then this person comes knocking on my door and asks if I have "received the revelation", and I have to tell them to go fly a kite, and then later I hear about how these people go out to protests trying to overturn gay-marriage, so then I get it in my head that these weirdos need to be stopped, and so then I devote some of my time trying to argue some sense into these people whenever I see or encounter them. That's them... blowing it on me.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
But that is it, exactly... "just don't blow it on me."

If someone sees that someone else is wearing a particular piece of religiously-affiliated clothing, and they go ask the other about it, then they strike up a conversation that goes really well, and then the person who thought to ask about it gets it in their head that the conversation was "meant to be", and then they go forth with the idea to join this religion because of the positive experience they had talking to this other person, and then this person comes knocking on my door and asks if I have "received the revelation", and I have to tell them to go fly a kite, and then later I hear about how these people go out to protests trying to overturn gay-marriage, so when I get it in my head that these weirdos need to be stopped, and so then I devote some of my time trying to argue some sense into these people whenever I see or encounter them. That's them... blowing it on me.
That's really stretching it. Wearing a piece of jewelry isnt blowing it on you, and its none of your business.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
That's really stretching it. Wearing a piece of jewelry isnt blowing it on you, and its none of your business.
And again, my point isn't that I would be the one going up to them and asking them about it. And yes, its a stretch, but an entirely plausible chain of events that displays that we can't just, out of hand, dismiss these things as "harmless." Just like smoking. I am sure these same sorts of arguments were made by smokers back when it was more acceptable in practice. "It's none of your business." "It's not hurting you." But then more research was done, and it was discovered that is WAS hurting those around them. So it became everyone's business.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
And again, my point isn't that I would be the one going up to them and asking them about it. And yes, its a stretch, but an entirely plausible chain of events that displays that we can't just, out of hand, dismiss these things as "harmless." Just like smoking. I am sure these same sorts of arguments were made by smokers back when it was more acceptable in practice. "It's none of your business." "It's not hurting you." But then more research was done, and it was discovered that is WAS hurting those around them. So it became everyone's business.
Harm needs to be demonstrated as reasonably foreseeable. "But we might find out at some future point it's harmful" is not an argument.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
But then more research was done, and it was discovered that is WAS hurting those around them. So it became everyone's business.
Simply wearing a piece of jewelry isnt that. Errecting a strawmn isnt going to help you. Its not your body, not your life, not your concern.
 
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