Marxism against Religions - a maybe not so known novel

[Samana Johann]

Peppone vs. Don Camillo is something that came to mind when watching the treads of your modern world.

Not sure how much know in English spheres, even ever all synchronized in it's whole.

Spoiler: Little world of Don Camillo (1951) - English audio!

Much food for thought, here or there, not getting caught in simply amused.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Where are the Marxists? Can you produce any Marxists? Do you know that the quotation that is often used as evidence that Marx was against religion is taken out of context and when read in context show that Marx wasn't really against religion but that he understood why people turn to religion in adverse circumstances ?

 

[whirlingmerc]

Where are the Marxists? Can you produce any Marxists? Do you know that the quotation that is often used as evidence that Marx was against religion is taken out of context and when read in context show that Marx wasn't really against religion but that he understood why people turn to religion in adverse circumstances ?

Another out of context one is 'the separation of church and state' famously took out of context from a letter from Jefferson to a Baptist group assuring them the government would keep out of their business

 

[Samana Johann]

But now...

Spoiler: Don Camillo is constantly at odds with the communist mayor, Giuseppe Bottazzi, better known as [B]Peppone[/B]

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Another out of context one is 'the separation of church and state' famously took out of context from a letter from Jefferson to a Baptist group assuring them the government would keep out of their business

It's not taken out of context because we have several documents, including the Constitution, that does reveal there was every intention of preventing the state from favoring religion, declaring America secular (and ex0licitly not established on Christian principles), and establishing a secular state by prohibiting and forbidding tests of public faith to hold office and disallowing the state to establish and favor religion.
Like it or not, we have freedom of religion because we have freedom from religion.

 

[atanu]

..
Like it or not, we have freedom of religion because we have freedom from religion.

I agree.

 

[Samana Johann]

Marxists do not expect anything beyond form, the five senses, and the ideas to make all more pleasant is to put in productivity for the senses and cut of everything that might be seen as sublime and more worthy to work for it. It's simply to yoke people in ways that they will no more be able to escape the circle, to stay bound in the world = here you are now,{ both, Peppone & Don Camillo}*, in a nearly total Marxist world, as you wanted it. For a large even leaded by religion-leader, making a livelihood by it, to it.

* added later

 

[Samana Johann]

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Conditions have causes and if not having given them, how would they arise for one? If one feels satisfied, one could rest. Religious such practice is known as Ox-duties-asceticism, mentioned here: MN 57: Kukkuravatika Sutta — The Dog-duty Ascetic.

Two fruits can be expected:

"Here, Seniya, someone develops the ox duty fully and unstintingly, he develops the ox habit fully and unstintingly, he develops the ox mind fully and unstintingly, he develops the ox behavior fully and unstintingly. Having done that, on the dissolution of the body, after death, he reappears in the company of oxen. But if his view is such as this: 'By this virtue or duty or asceticism or religious like I shall become a (great) god or some (lesser) god,' that is wrong view in his case. Now there are two destinations for one with wrong view, I say: hell or the animal womb. So, Seniya, if his ox duty is perfected, it will lead him to the company of oxen; if it is not, it will lead him to hell."
​

If spoken in more graspable word for those not seeing a world before and behind: either brave good labors or into war.

 

[rocala]

I believe that the Dalai Lama claims to be a marxist.
Of course the Dalai Lama's a Marxist | Ed Halliwell

 

[Samana Johann]

Dalai Lama

Householder Rocala

It would be wrong perceived, it is wrong informed, that he has actually much to do with the Buddhas Dhamma Vinaya, and yes, it's because there are Vinaya (rules) corrupt leaders that most religions are actually on the "Marx-wave" to stay popular and be able to trade.

(Dalai Lama is a popular person in the West, but has actually outside west and Tibet, less value. He is a leader of a paricular later sect, nothing else. An yes, he is to be seen as politican, not as a person leading different to secular approaches for those seeking alternatives, not really a religious person. Just informative: the Sangha, community of monks, has no personal leader, relays simply on Dhamma-Vinaya, the Buddhas heritage.)

He can be seen as Don Camillo here, yes. (not that they might be seen as different in their objectives, he and Pepone)

 

[rocala]

on the "Marx-wave" to stay popular and be able to trade.

I would think that claiming to be Marxist in the West is not a sure way to win popularity.

 

[Samana Johann]

I would think that claiming to be Marxist in the West is not a sure way to win popularity.

Lables and content are different things, of course... but act-ually?

The sects promoting materialism have been called "cosmologist", "secularists". Lokayatika

Householer @Labourwave seems to be well informed about the content, able to trace it behind lables, as it seems, also with scripts.

Now how does it come that most Religions have turned in marxistic directions act-ually, not that it is not to be seens, but most might be not aware.