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10 laughably erroneous claims of the bible

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Why would angry teenagers care?

FWIW, Genesis is fables and stories IMO. Stories that had been told around the campfires for thousands of years before they were written down, supposedly by Moses.

Well, as said before I'm not a teenager and I'm also not angry. In fact, I am laughing every time I see a new response to my thread. Glad to see that you admit at least a part of the Bible is a fictional Fairy tale.
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
More like 10 misunderstandings of an atheist!



That's a stretch to say the least. Talk about jumping to conclusions.



Wouldn't ya say that looks like a pillar or column? Yes I agree it does as well.
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I admit when I first looked at that picture what immediately came to mind is that it was a surrealist sculpture of a penis and scrotum.

Not to go over your entire post but just a couple of brief points concerning your "yawn" observations.
Flying insects can have four legs. Grasshoppers, Locust, and beetles have four legs. The Bible says these were not forbidden and indeed some people did eat these insects. Interestingly enough they are still consumed in some cultures as a food staple. While many westerners consider their fare a delicacy.
May I never be so hungry God. Amen.
Other insects, thought to have 6 legs in their classification will have four legs for walking and two legs that are used to draw things to their mouth or head.

It is true that ants have no master. Observation of an ant colony make it appear as if what is labeled the largest insect, the queen, is the leader. However she is not, just as in bee colonies. The queen's are actually slaves to the colony. They're sustained because the queen of ants and bee's reproduce the colony and thus sustain the colony or hive. They are prisoners.

What our unbeliever friend fails to realize or does not care to know, is that Idiomatic language also is used in scripture.
Further example would be the "pillars of the earth". However, I think if they are interested they'll look that fact up for themselves.
I would not hold my breath even though blue is a favorite color.

Overall I give it a F. You didn't even try to be creative. Another great of example of how a non-believer fails at understanding the word.
Agreed.
So you are playing pigeon chess?
Is that a question?
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SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
Well, as said before I'm not a teenager and I'm also not angry. In fact, I am laughing every time I see a new response to my thread.
That's why you'll never learn anything.

You are angry.
Angry bitter people thrive on goading and mocking others. And this occurs because they are deeply unhappy with their life and seek to gain a respite from that condition by working to create anger and bitterness in others. There are more than just one of that type dysfunctional personality joining Christian forums.
What such people don't understand about the Christians they seek to provoke is that we do not rise in kind to that invitation. Rather, we learn from it.
The angry goading mocker personality hides behind a monitor because they'd dare not behave off line and face to face as they do on-line. The anonymity factor of the Net gives them false courage and license to exercise their demons. And therein the Christians lesson there is to witness what we could have become before we found our Savior.

Most importantly though is that a Christian doesn't rise to that invitation because by its very presence before us we are made aware that personality is lost and needs prayer. And so you have it.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Don't forget talking snake and talking donkey.

And Genesis 10 about Egypt and Nimrod in Mesopotamia, all wrong.

In Assyria for instance, the oldest part of Nineveh has been dated to around 3500 BCE, while Calch was built around 1100 BCE. Can Nimrod built these during his lifetime?

Likewise, the oldest layer of Uruk or Erech has been dated to 5000 BCE (reaching peak between 3600 to 2600 BCE), while the oldest part of Babylon has been dated 2400 BCE, and Babylon was a very minor and small town at that time.

Babylon didn't become famous until around 1850, during the Amorite dynasty. It also became the capital of Kassite dynasty (1500 to 1100 BCE) and again during the Neo-Babylonian period (6th century BCE). Could Nimrod built both Uruk/Erech and Babylon?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
The Bible contains numerous scientific errors, including (but of course not limited to) the following:

1. It says the earth is flat:

Isaiah 40:22: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

No where in the verse did it say the earth is flat. What did it say? the circle of the earth. No one can read F-L-A-T anywhere in the verse. It must be an assumption.

Let us try another Bible translation. Translated by the Catholics and old translation, translated even before man took the very first photograph of the earth from space. Here it goes:

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Isaiah 40:22 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Douay-Rheims Bible, Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 40

So it is no longer 10 laughably erroneous claims of the bible, isn't it?
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No where in the verse did it say the earth is flat. What did it say? the circle of the earth. No one can read F-L-A-T anywhere in the verse. It must be an assumption.

Let us try another Bible translation. Translated by the Catholics and old translation, translated even before man took the very first photograph of the earth from space. Here it goes:

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Isaiah 40:22 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Douay-Rheims Bible, Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 40

So it is no longer 10 laughably erroneous claims of the bible, isn't it?
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Circles are flat. And if one goes to the original Hebrew it is even clearer that it refers to a Flat Earth. Just because some modern translators dishonestly reintepret the verse does not mean that it refers to a globe. The term used "Chuwg" refers to an inscribed circle, as with a compass. They can only be flat.

Like it or not it is still an erroneous claim.

There was a Hebrew word for "ball" and the writer of that verse did not use that word. Do you know why?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
The Bible contains numerous scientific errors, including (but of course not limited to) the following:

2. It says that the earth rests upon pillars:

1 Samuel 2:8 "..for the pillars of the Earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them...."

Job 9:6 "...and the pillars thereof tremble..."
Psalm 75:3 "...I bear up the pillars of it ..."

Are these to be taken literally or metaphorically?

I believe these are to be taken metaphorically and not literally. For example:

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Are they literal pillars? The Bible uses metaphors extensively that is why a lot of people are confused and are only second guessing.

So it is no longer 10 laughably erroneous claims of the bible, isn't it?

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Dell

Asteroid insurance?
The Bible contains numerous scientific errors, including (but of course not limited to) the following:

1. It says the earth is flat:

Isaiah 40:22: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

2. It says that the earth rests upon pillars:

1 Samuel 2:8 "..for the pillars of the Earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them...."

Job 9:6 "...and the pillars thereof tremble..."
Psalm 75:3 "...I bear up the pillars of it ..."

3. It claims that the sky is a solid firmament and that water is above it:

Genesis 1:6 "....and God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the
waters from the waters."

4. It claims the stars are small enough to fall to the earth without destroying the earth:

Revelation 6:13: "and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind."

Revelation 8:10:
"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;"

5. It claims that the earth does not move:

Pslam 96:10 "...the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved."

6. It claims that the sun revolves around the earth, rather than the other way around:

Psalm 19:6: "It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is deprived of its warmth."

7. It claims that insects have four legs:

Leviticus 11:20-23: "All flying insects
that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest."

8. It claims that the mustard seed is the smallest seed, when in fact, the orchid seed, among others, are smaller than the mustard seed:

Matthew 13:32:1 "Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof."

9. It claims that ants have no rulers, when in fact, ant colonies have a hierarchical structure with a queen (ruler) and worker ants:

Proverbs 6:6-7: "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler,"

10. It claims that pi is equal to 3.

2 Chronicles 4:2: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it."
That's trying really hard to point out error... most of this is obviously ancient literary expessive writing. It's nothing to argue about. The error is the stories themselves, stories being accepted as fact and not fiction, physically impossible, but believed by faith just because its accepted a Gods word.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Are these to be taken literally or metaphorically?

I believe these are to be taken metaphorically and not literally. For example:

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Are they literal pillars? The Bible uses metaphors extensively that is why a lot of people are confused and are only second guessing.

So it is no longer 10 laughably erroneous claims of the bible, isn't it?

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The problem is how ridiculously wrong does the Bible have to be for it to be taken metaphorically and not literally? Are you trying to say that the entire first two books of the Bible should be taken metaphorically?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
The Bible contains numerous scientific errors, including (but of course not limited to) the following:


3. It claims that the sky is a solid firmament and that water is above it:

Genesis 1:6 "....and God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the
waters from the waters."

Again a wrong assumption between solid firmament and firmament.
Let us check the dictionary, shall we?

fir·ma·ment
/ˈfərməmənt/
noun
literary
noun: firmament; plural noun: firmaments
  1. the heavens or the sky, especially when regarded as a tangible thing.
    synonyms: the sky, heaven, the blue, the wide blue yonder, the azure, the heavens, the skies; More
    literarythe vault (of heaven), the celestial sphere, the empyrean, the welkin
    • a sphere or world viewed as a collection of people.
      "one of the great stars in the American golfing firmament"
If the definition of firmament is unclear maybe using a more understandable Bible translation would clear things up.

Genesis 1:6 Amplified Bible (AMP)
And God said, “Let there be an expanse [of the sky] in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters [below the expanse] from the waters [above the expanse].”

ex·panse
/ikˈspans/
noun
noun: expanse; plural noun: expanses
  1. an area of something, typically land or sea, presenting a wide continuous surface.
    "the green expanse of the forest"
    synonyms: area, stretch, sweep, tract, swathe, plain, field, belt, region; More
    sea, carpet, blanket, sheet;
    breadth, range, spread, reach, space, extent, vastness
    "this wide expanse of grass and heather"
    antonyms: confined space, enclosure
    • the distance to which something expands or can be expanded.
      "the moth has a wing expanse of 20 to 24 mm"
There you go, it is no longer 10 laughably erroneous claims of the bible, isn't it?

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The water in the atmosphere makes up only a very small percentage of the total water on Earth. In the atmosphere, water exists as a gas (water vapor from evaporation), as a liquid (droplets of rain and liquid water that coats solid particles), and as a solid (snow and ice).
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Lord. Who would care to take the time to refute such misunderstanding?

The positive side is, you took the time to read the Bible. Even if you found that nonsense at a link with Bible verses. Now if you'd only read it you'd know more than you think you do so as to erroneously mock what isn't actually saying what you think it says.

Most atheists read the Bible, and that is one of the main reasons why they became atheists. I mean, going through the first page is plenty to dismiss the whole rest. Actually, I believe atheists would score higher on knowledge of religion, and its tenets, than the average believer.

Ciao

- viole
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
4. It claims the stars are small enough to fall to the earth without destroying the earth:

Revelation 6:13: "and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind."

Revelation 8:10:
"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;"

Revelations are prophecies and are not to be taken literally.

Revelation 1:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

And since they are prophecies, they are written in figurative language and metaphors unless otherwise stated.

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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
5. It claims that the earth does not move:

Pslam 96:10 "...the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved."

Did the Bible say that? The problem with splicing the verses with .... dot dot dot
It is like concluding on a partial evidence, a partial fingerprint, totally inconclusive.
Let us see the whole thing, shall we?

Psalm 96:10 New International Version (NIV)
Say among the nations, “The Lord reigns.”
The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved;
he will judge the peoples with equity.

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I think that is the message not in astronomical manner whatsoever.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Revelations are prophecies and are not to be taken literally.

Revelation 1:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

And since they are prophecies, they are written in figurative language and metaphors unless otherwise stated.

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Yes, because properly written prophecies always fail. But the problem is that many Christians do not realize that overly vague prophecies automatically fail. If there is more than one possible "fulfillment" then it is a failed prophecy since once can never know if those were the events in the prophecy or an even later one.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
6. It claims that the sun revolves around the earth, rather than the other way around:

Psalm 19:6: "It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is deprived of its warmth."

Another assumption that - the sun revolves around the earth?
Or the Bible is describing from a more down to earth perspective?


Psalm 19:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other;
nothing is deprived of its warmth.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
7. It claims that insects have four legs:

Leviticus 11:20-23: "All flying insects
that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest."

The Bible does not claim that insects have four legs but all flying insects that walk on all fours are detestable.
Not all insects have wings and not all insects walk on fours.

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The Bible does not claim that insects have four legs but all flying insects that walk on all fours are detestable.
Not all insects have wings and not all insects walk on fours.

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Now that is pure desperation.

So we can eat flies. Flies that love to land on any sort of animal waste. They travel on all six when on the ground. In fact I am unaware of any insects that only go on four legs.
 
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