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New rule: No starting any new wars until you've finished fighting all your current ones.

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Nothing to apologize for. Just calling out your BS. If you can't handle some criticism you shouldn't post. :shrug:
I'm on record here and elsewhere criticising Obama for his military action. You mischaracterised me, and are continuing to do so. Wishing I conformed to some imaginary strawman doesn't make it so.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Obama's an imperialist warhawk. That does not justify your own support for imperialist warhawks.

whataboutism.
It's clearly a multi-party issue. Like war had suddenly become the knight on the world's chess board, jumping around here and there at the behest of its player.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Sheesh And i get warnings on this site for dismising bigfoot aliens built the pryamids theories by bible quacks.

I think i just read like how many flaming posts!? Wowser folks take a chill pill. Screw it i am heading to safeway right now.
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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I'm on record here and elsewhere criticising Obama for his military action. You mischaracterised me, and are continuing to do so. Wishing I conformed to some imaginary strawman doesn't make it so.

Good for you then. Doesn't chang the fact your overreacting to something that hasn't even happened yet.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Pushing Iran into a corner and then complaining about the result is just about equivalent to firing first.
The US has something of a history of doing this, it must be said. Putting other countries into untenable positions, then citing the predictable responses as justification for war. It's disturbingly recognisable schoolyard bully tactics.

I like America and Americans, but when you look at her past actions in this regard, it's kind of hard to maintain our collective sense of moral superiority (because Australia uncritically follows America's lead in these things)
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
You can always refer us to the posts in which you have condemned Obama's actions.
Or you could discuss the OP rather than attempting to well poison me, relying on the forums' buggy search function.

Where Do You Think The Turmoil In Venezuela Is Going
Liberal only: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Getting Her Own Comic Book
Faith + Patriotism = Winning Combo
Do you believe that Donald trump is telling the truth
Hillary applauds 11 year old kid for taking a knee.
Trump is a dangerous idiot
Lauren Southern makes it into Australia

And I'll say again right here that Obama did plenty to be critical of, I personally find his use of drone warfare and executive kill lists particularly outrageous, and have done so ever since they were made public.

Handwave as you see fit.
 
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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Yes, how dare I recognise patterns and learn from history?

Nothing wrong with that but no need to worry that much about it. People actw the same way when N.Korea was running its mouth a year or so ago. No war came from that. So it's worth noting that Trump looks for other ways to resolve issues than using war, he has prove that already.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Nothing wrong with that but no need to worry that much about it. People actw the same way when N.Korea was running its mouth a year or so ago. No war came from that. So it's worth noting that Trump looks for other ways to resolve issues than using war, he has prove that already.
You'll note I was one of the people saying North Korea wasn't a threat at the time everyone else was running around like panicked headless chickens over it. Ditto ISIS.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
You'll note I was one of the people saying North Korea wasn't a threat at the time everyone else was running around like panicked headless chickens over it. Ditto ISIS.

I'm no fan of war either. But if Iran keeps sinking ships, funding terrorist groups, and attacking our allies. They will force our hand.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I'm no fan of war either. But if Iran keeps sinking ships, funding terrorist groups, and attacking our allies. They will force our hand.
Prove Iran attacked anyone, and let's talk. Further, the Japanese are big boys. If they feel military action is warranted over this, I'm sure they're capable of asking for help, if not deploying their own self defence forces.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Wars can be very easy to start and very hard to end. ISIS appeared largely due to how Obama ended the war in Iraq.
Well... that's kind of arguable and highly reductionist. The group we know as ISIS dates from 1999, before Iraq was even invaded, let alone before the war there "ended" (another highly debatable idea). Their rise to prominence was due to several factors, too. As with most of this stuff, it's all a lot more complicated than simple "thing x is the fault of guy Y because he did action Z". Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Prove Iran attacked anyone, and let's talk. Further, the Japanese are big boys. If they feel military action is warranted over this, I'm sure they're capable of asking for help, if not deploying their own self defence forces.

Iranians fired missile at US drone prior to tanker attack, US official says - CNNPolitics

Middle East analysts see Iran's fingerprints on tanker attacks — but slim chance of war

The evidence points to Iran.

And Iran has been in a cold war with Isreal for many years now. Honestly if it wasn't for Israel I'd like to see the U.S pull out of the region and let the E.U deal with the situation once it creeps up to their borders. But we have allies in the region and we need to honor that should we be called upon.
 
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