In God We Trust Hypocrisy

[Brickjectivity]

A US appeals court recently decided that it was Ok to keep 'In God We Trust' on our coins in the USA. The activists who brought the case felt that it was compelling atheists to be believers in some way. Their case failed, and the reason I think is they sued over the wrong issue. The real problem is that it is the height of hypocrisy.

Recently my state (Mississippi) has begun issuing this on license plates, so now our very license plates will say 'In God We Trust'. Our drivers licenses also have 'Hospitality State' emblazoned on them, as if that could somehow make us more hospitable. Our state is more populous than ever, and there is no particular reason to call it the hospitality state just as our state is not composed of people who always trust in God.

Its like the US and Mississippi want to claim to be angels of light. Why not, instead, become known as godly people and hospitable people through natural means and actions? Wouldn't that be less officious and pretentious? I feel like I've got 'Pretentious jerk' stamped on the backside of my slacks.

That's the real problem with putting In God We Trust onto government issued items. If it were true it would be so obvious that there would be no point.

 

[Nimos]

A US appeals court recently decided that it was Ok to keep 'In God We Trust' on our coins in the USA. The activists who brought the case felt that it was compelling atheists to be believers in some way. Their case failed, and the reason I think is they sued over the wrong issue. The real problem is that it is the height of hypocrisy.

Recently my state (Mississippi) has begun issuing this on license plates, so now our very license plates will say 'In God We Trust'. Our drivers licenses also have 'Hospitality State' emblazoned on them, as if that could somehow make us more hospitable. Our state is more populous than ever, and there is no particular reason to call it the hospitality state just as our state is not composed of people who always trust in God.

Its like the US and Mississippi want to claim to be angels of light. Why not, instead, become known as godly people and hospitable people through natural means and actions? Wouldn't that be less officious and pretentious? I feel like I've got 'Pretentious jerk' stamped on the backside of my slacks.

That's the real problem with putting In God We Trust onto government issued items. If it were true it would be so obvious that there would be no point.

Agree with what you are saying, as an atheist, I wouldn't like money or license plates to say "There is no God" or what would be similar to "In God we trust". I think I would feel just like you.

 

[Estro Felino]

When the US president takes oath he says: "So help me God"...
Which sounds solemn but not really secular. Especially if it deals with an atheist

 

[Erebus]

Its like the US and Mississippi want to claim to be angels of light. Why not, instead, become known as godly people and hospitable people through natural means and actions?

This is really the crux of the issue isn't it? What you suggested requires work and sacrifice. It's far easier to simply claim you possess a particular quality than it is to demonstrate it.

 

[David T]

A US appeals court recently decided that it was Ok to keep 'In God We Trust' on our coins in the USA. The activists who brought the case felt that it was compelling atheists to be believers in some way. Their case failed, and the reason I think is they sued over the wrong issue. The real problem is that it is the height of hypocrisy.

Recently my state (Mississippi) has begun issuing this on license plates, so now our very license plates will say 'In God We Trust'. Our drivers licenses also have 'Hospitality State' emblazoned on them, as if that could somehow make us more hospitable. Our state is more populous than ever, and there is no particular reason to call it the hospitality state just as our state is not composed of people who always trust in God.

Its like the US and Mississippi want to claim to be angels of light. Why not, instead, become known as godly people and hospitable people through natural means and actions? ? I feel like I've got 'Pretentious jerk' stamped on the backside of my slacks.

That's the real problem with putting In God We Trust onto government issued items. If it were true it would be so obvious that there would be no point.

"Wouldn't that be less officious and pretentious"

That would be unAmerican!!!!

Besides "in god we trust" is a marketing slogan created for a private enterprises product.

 

[Enoch07]

That's the real problem with putting In God We Trust onto government issued items. If it were true it would be so obvious that there would be no point.

Why bother telling family/friends/lovers that you love them. If it's so true there would be no point. Does it make you pretentious for saying that you love them?

As far as the license plates goes, the "In God we Trust" replaces the the sticker which says what county you live in. The county is usually default and you have to ask for the "In God we Trust". So that's easily solved for any that don't like/want it. I always thought it was odd that atheist stare at money long enough that they think the "In God we Trust" is indoctrinated them against their will. Nah really, it's just butt hurt cry babies that need to grow up.

 

[Stevicus]

A US appeals court recently decided that it was Ok to keep 'In God We Trust' on our coins in the USA. The activists who brought the case felt that it was compelling atheists to be believers in some way. Their case failed, and the reason I think is they sued over the wrong issue. The real problem is that it is the height of hypocrisy.

Recently my state (Mississippi) has begun issuing this on license plates, so now our very license plates will say 'In God We Trust'. Our drivers licenses also have 'Hospitality State' emblazoned on them, as if that could somehow make us more hospitable. Our state is more populous than ever, and there is no particular reason to call it the hospitality state just as our state is not composed of people who always trust in God.

Its like the US and Mississippi want to claim to be angels of light. Why not, instead, become known as godly people and hospitable people through natural means and actions? Wouldn't that be less officious and pretentious? I feel like I've got 'Pretentious jerk' stamped on the backside of my slacks.

That's the real problem with putting In God We Trust onto government issued items. If it were true it would be so obvious that there would be no point.

We have specialty license plates which say "In God We Trust," but those are optional. There are various kinds of specialty plates which are offered at an extra fee to the Motor Vehicle Department. Some are sponsored by various groups which receive a portion of the proceeds.

But the standard license plate looks like this:

"Grand Canyon State"

I suppose that's a fairly neutral message, with a nice silhouette of desert scenery in the background.

This is what the "In God We Trust" license plate looks like:

However, it seems that this particular plate benefits a group called the Alliance Defending Freedom.


Controversial group behind 'In God We Trust' license plate in Arizona

Just since 2014, records show more than 50,000 of the plates were sold or renewed, raising more than $900,000 for the Scottsdale-based group, Alliance Defending Freedom.

[RELATED: See revenue for all specialized license plates in Arizona]

"Where these funds go is very open. It's nothing that's a secret," said ADF's Kristen Waggoner.

The Human Rights Campaign identifies ADF as the nation's largest anti-LGBTQ legal group. In fact, the Southern Poverty Law Center designated ADF as a "hate group" for spearheading lawsuits against reproductive and gay rights in the name of religious freedom.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center's designation of us is simply a label that they have imposed to try to vilify groups that oppose the ideology that the SPLC has," said Waggoner.

This group got $900,000 from license plates.

 

[shmogie]

We have specialty license plates which say "In God We Trust," but those are optional. There are various kinds of specialty plates which are offered at an extra fee to the Motor Vehicle Department. Some are sponsored by various groups which receive a portion of the proceeds.

But the standard license plate looks like this:

"Grand Canyon State"

I suppose that's a fairly neutral message, with a nice silhouette of desert scenery in the background.

This is what the "In God We Trust" license plate looks like:

However, it seems that this particular plate benefits a group called the Alliance Defending Freedom.


Controversial group behind 'In God We Trust' license plate in Arizona



This group got $900,000 from license plates.

There is no grand canyon, I can´t prove it, but I know itś true.

My home states basic plate is perpetuating a myth, and I want to sue them, because I am beginning to think there might be a grand canyon.

They are indoctrinating me, Oh the humanity !

 

[Brickjectivity]

Why bother telling family/friends/lovers that you love them. If it's so true there would be no point. Does it make you pretentious for saying that you love them?

I think one difference is that you say it personally, and another difference is that its not purely just a claim but is a commitment or at least statement of intent or responsibility. Yes if you do love them then its just a statement of fact, but if you love them imperfectly then its not pretentious just hopeful. A national coin can't represent that we trust in God and is pretense. It doesn't have that same thing going for it that love does or that personal touch.

As far as the license plates goes, the "In God we Trust" replaces the the sticker which says what county you live in. The county is usually default and you have to ask for the "In God we Trust". So that's easily solved for any that don't like/want it. I always thought it was odd that atheist stare at money long enough that they think the "In God we Trust" is indoctrinated them against their will. Nah really, it's just butt hurt cry babies that need to grow up.

Good to know and I mostly agree. I think the show of religiosity is questionable, but if its a personal decision then it doesn't affect me.

 

[columbus]

What is it about Christianity that makes Christians so often abrasively arrogant and exclusive?
Tom

 

[leov]

When the US president takes oath he says: "So help me God"...
Which sounds solemn but not really secular. Especially if it deals with an atheist

God of money, Eph. 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places."

 

[Enoch07]

I'll answer both questions below with the same answer.

What is it about Christianity that makes Christians so often abrasively arrogant and exclusive?

A national coin can't represent that we trust in God and is pretense. It doesn't have that same thing going for it that love does or that personal touch.

I think it's a humility thing. Its saying we are not so arrogant that we rely only ourselves. We look to a higher power because we are imperfect as is.

 

[ChristineM]

When the US president takes oath he says: "So help me God"...
Which sounds solemn but not really secular. Especially if it deals with an atheist

It is highly unlikely that an atheist would reach such a position in the foreseeable future. There are too many christians who vote not on the issues but on the faith of the candidate. And there are still some states that ban non christians from taking any public office for the very same reason you state..

 

[ChristineM]

What is it about Christianity that makes Christians so often abrasively arrogant and exclusive?
Tom

The bible?

 

[columbus]

God of money, Eph. 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places."

Curiously,
Among Trump's strongest supporters are conservative Christians. If anybody worships money more than he does, I don't know who that would be.
Tom

 

[leov]

Curiously,
Among Trump's strongest supporters are conservative Christians. If anybody worships money more than he does, I don't know who that would be.
Tom

99% of those people are phony. Reps and dems alike. Power crazy. Serving those of Eph. 6:12.

 

[columbus]

I'll answer both questions below with the same answer.



I think it's a humility thing. Its saying we are not so arrogant that we rely only ourselves. We look to a higher power because we are imperfect as is.

You mean a higher power like the US Treasury? Someone who can get empty slogans printed on the currency?

Don't get me wrong. I don't much care about what is written on currency. It's got no more import than a campaign slogan. It's just another episode of Christianity supporting abrasive arrogance because they can. And I am sure that they will continue to do so into the foreseeable future. Because that's what Christianity teaches Christians to do.
Tom

 

[leov]

The bible?

Distorting the Bible, continuing building Tower of Babylon.

 

[columbus]

99% of those people are phony. Reps and dems alike. Power crazy. Serving those of Eph. 6:12.

99% of what people?
USA Christians?
Are you one of those people who think that Christianity is tiny little cult of people who agree with you, and not a major world religion at all?
Tom

 

[shmogie]

What is it about Christianity that makes Christians so often abrasively arrogant and exclusive?
Tom

What is it about a gay pride parade that makes it so hopelessly hilarious ?