Birmingham Muslims pull their kids out of LGBT-inclusive lessons

[Notanumber]

Can't help but notice you're not addressing the elephant in the room which is this stance - that you're so admiring her for having one of - is pandering to Muslim religious bigotry, using their religious beliefs to try and disadvantage another minority community, and is actually a great example of behaving like a dhimmi.

Which would you rather do? Bash Corbyn for not giving an opinion (yet - for any number of reasons) or admit that while McVey has given her opinion, it's incredibly unhelpful and seems like it will only exacerbate problems you have been complaining about for years - lack of desire among British Muslims to integrate and their exhibiting of religious entitlement?

Have we seen any other straight talking politicians take the stage to disagree with what Ester said yet?

 

[Notanumber]

Have we seen any other straight talking politicians take the stage to disagree with what Ester said yet?

Jacob agrees with Ester so that seems to make it 2:0 in favour of the parents.

 

[Altfish]

Jacob agrees with Ester so that seems to make it 2:0 in favour of the parents.

The long slippy slope.
Next the 6-year old girls will be forced to wear Hijabs, then there will be separation of the boys and girls, - these parents are afraid of something they don't understand but that is part of British / European Societies. Their children need to know it exists and understand without prejudice.

 

[Notanumber]

The long slippy slope.
Next the 6-year old girls will be forced to wear Hijabs, then there will be separation of the boys and girls, - these parents are afraid of something they don't understand but that is part of British / European Societies. Their children need to know it exists and understand without prejudice.

This seems to be proving that the establishment are afraid of something they don't understand.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Jacob agrees with Ester so that seems to make it 2:0 in favour of the parents.

'Straight-talking' referring to appealing to bigoted populism in an effort to obtain power. So nothing new for the Tories then.

It can be 40000:0 speaking out in favour of the parents for all that matters, but no matter how many do so, they're still in the wrong.

I've noticed how you've tacitly avoided forming your own opinion on the subject in recent posts. You seem strangely content to just mindlessly praise politicians giving any sort of opinion, no matter how valid it may be.

Also lol, you support politicians who support Islamists.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Common sense prevails for the time being: the council has obtained an injunction order which pushes the closest acceptable locations for protest a street back from Anderton Park Primary School in all directions. Personally, I don't think it goes far enough. They should be pushed back a minimum of three streets as the whole idea was for the protest to be out of sight & sound of the school. It also bans offensive or abusive language being used about the staff on social media The injunction is only a temporary measure; the protesters can challenge it in court on the 10th of June.

Naturally, the protest leader Shakeel Afsaar is rather stroppy that he and his supporters can't harass or scare teachers & pupils going in & out during the day and they call the head teacher "a paedophile" and "a hater of Islam" right outside the school gates or on Twitter any more.

He's honestly trying to portray himself and the protesters who actually have children at the school as the victims. He claims the high court injunction proves Birmingham City Council are 'Islamophobic' and are intolerant of him and his beliefs for no reason. He also falsely claims the protesters have remained peaceful throughout (despite the fact they've thrown eggs and abuse at counter-protesters)

shakeel afsar on Twitter

He plans to hold a press release outside the Council house in Birmingham tomorrow. I hope the media rip him and his homophobic followers a new *******.

 

[Notanumber]

'Straight-talking' referring to appealing to bigoted populism in an effort to obtain power. So nothing new for the Tories then.

It can be 40000:0 speaking out in favour of the parents for all that matters, but no matter how many do so, they're still in the wrong.

I've noticed how you've tacitly avoided forming your own opinion on the subject in recent posts. You seem strangely content to just mindlessly praise politicians giving any sort of opinion, no matter how valid it may be.

Also lol, you support politicians who support Islamists.

Where are all these straight talking politicians that disagree with Jacob and Ester?

You criticize the Tories, but where are the Labour and Lib Dem politicians?

Why are they so reticent to speak out?

Could Hate Speech be a driving factor?

How many political parties appointed an independent advisor and were then demonised for doing so?

I do not support the Tories, Labour or Lib Dem politicians but I may agree or disagree with some of them from time to time.

 

[Notanumber]

Common sense prevails for the time being: the council has obtained an injunction order which pushes the closest acceptable locations for protest a street back from Anderton Park Primary School in all directions. Personally, I don't think it goes far enough. They should be pushed back a minimum of three streets as the whole idea was for the protest to be out of sight & sound of the school. It also bans offensive or abusive language being used about the staff on social media The injunction is only a temporary measure; the protesters can challenge it in court on the 10th of June.

Naturally, the protest leader Shakeel Afsaar is rather stroppy that he and his supporters can't harass or scare teachers & pupils going in & out during the day and they call the head teacher "a paedophile" and "a hater of Islam" right outside the school gates or on Twitter any more.

He's honestly trying to portray himself and the protesters who actually have children at the school as the victims. He claims the high court injunction proves Birmingham City Council are 'Islamophobic' and are intolerant of him and his beliefs for no reason. He also falsely claims the protesters have remained peaceful throughout (despite the fact they've thrown eggs and abuse at counter-protesters)

shakeel afsar on Twitter

He plans to hold a press release outside the Council house in Birmingham tomorrow. I hope the media rip him and his homophobic followers a new *******.

We will have to see if that leads to street riots.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Where are all these straight talking politicians that disagree with Jacob and Ester?

You criticize the Tories, but where are the Labour and Lib Dem politicians?

Why are they so reticent to speak out?

Could Hate Speech be a driving factor?

How many political parties appointed an independent advisor and were then demonised for doing so?

I do not support the Tories, Labour or Lib Dem politicians but I may agree or disagree with some of them from time to time.

Seriously, this "straight talking politician" you speak of is a mythical creature. Politicians, by their nature, don't talk straight. As to your other questions, here's one. Her name is Jess Phillips; she's the Labour MP for Yardley and she's been down to the protest site in person to confront the protest leader.

Sima Kotecha on Twitter

Here's a video of her doing exactly that. Naturally, Afsaar can't stand being out-reasoned, much less being called out on his bull****, by a woman so he resorts to calling her aggressive.

We will have to see if that leads to street riots.

I doubt that will happen. Afsaar is politically savvy enough that he knows to use the right buzzwords e.g. 'intolerant', 'Islamophobia' etc. I'm sure he's aware that riots will be counter-productive to his personal jihad crusade to force his beliefs on the rest of us.

He'll keep banging the drums of victimisation and self-martyrdom as, based on easily observable trends in English politics, the persecution narrative will get him a lot more sympathy and support.

 

[Notanumber]

Seriously, this "straight talking politician" you speak of is a mythical creature. Politicians, by their nature, don't talk straight. As to your other questions, here's one. Her name is Jess Phillips; she's the Labour MP for Yardley and she's been down to the protest site in person to confront the protest leader.

Sima Kotecha on Twitter

Here's a video of her doing exactly that. Naturally, Afsaar can't stand being out-reasoned, much less being called out on his bull****, by a woman so he resorts to calling her aggressive.




I doubt that will happen. Afsaar is politically savvy enough that he knows to use the right buzzwords e.g. 'intolerant', 'Islamophobia' etc. I'm sure he's aware that riots will be counter-productive to his personal jihad crusade to force his beliefs on the rest of us.

He'll keep banging the drums of victimisation and self-martyrdom as, based on easily observable trends in English politics, the persecution narrative will get him a lot more sympathy and support.

Blimey, there are many unavailable Tweets in that link.

At least he was prepared to talk to a woman, but has she managed to influence him?

Anyway, we will mark it up as 2:1 for the parents.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

At least he was prepared to talk to a woman, but has she managed to influence him?

See, I don't think he actually was prepared to talk to a woman. Notice how he does nothing but attempt to shout her down whenever she makes a valid point? That must be very disconcerting for him. There's no way in Tartarus he's used to that.

Anyway, we will mark it up as 2:1 for the parents.

Chalk another one up for the non-homophobes - I just remembered Damian Hinds said LGBT-inclusive lessons are not sex education. Not entirely sure why I'm going along with this score thing but I guess it's good to compare notes.

 

[Notanumber]

We need more rational conversations.

 

[Notanumber]

A LABOUR MP has backed Muslim parents who have caused outrage by protesting the teaching of LGBT issues at a Birmingham school.

LABOUR Backs Anti-Gay Muslims In Birmingham School-Row

Roger Godsiff sparks fury over LGBT lesson protester support

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/05/22/mp-roger-godsiff-didnt-read-lgbt-childrens-books-attack/

Is this what they are complaining about?

This Is Pakistan's First Anti-Homophobia Children's Book, And It Is Beautiful

 

[Altfish]

A LABOUR MP has backed Muslim parents who have caused outrage by protesting the teaching of LGBT issues at a Birmingham school.

LABOUR Backs Anti-Gay Muslims In Birmingham School-Row

Roger Godsiff sparks fury over LGBT lesson protester support

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/05/22/mp-roger-godsiff-didnt-read-lgbt-childrens-books-attack/

Is this what they are complaining about?

This Is Pakistan's First Anti-Homophobia Children's Book, And It Is Beautiful

And she has come in for much criticism from her own party.
NB Tory MPs (Ester McVey and others) have also backed the anti LGBT protesters

 

[Notanumber]

And she has come in for much criticism from her own party.
NB Tory MPs (Ester McVey and others) have also backed the anti LGBT protesters

The Labour MP is a man.

Ester McVey stuck her neck out and look where that got her.

How many working hours have these protesters missed by their actions?

They must have some very understanding employers.

 

[Altfish]

The Labour MP is a man.

Indeed he was, I'm getting mixed up with the local MP and headmistress

 

[Altfish]

How many working hours have these protesters missed by their actions?

They must have some very understanding employers.

Probably similar to the number of hours SYL2% has missed.

 

[Notanumber]

Probably similar to the number of hours SYL2% has missed.

Tommy is self-employed, don’t you know.

 

[Audie]

A primary school in Birmingham is at the centre of a furore surrounding the teaching of lessons designed to teach children about social diversity. This doesn't just cover LGBT but also covers things like ethnicity, religion & different family compositions. Some kids at the school live with one parent, some live with two parents of the same sex etc

The issue started when Fatima Shah, a Muslim parent began objecting to 'No Outsiders'; a series of lessons designed by 'out' teacher Andrew Moffat. No Outsiders reinforces the innate desire of children to be accepting and tolerant. Shah was worried that her kids were too young to be taught about these subjects; claiming that they amount to 'promoting homosexuality' and 'indoctrinating our kids to be gay' and are not 'age appropriate'. One of the other arguments she also put forward is ' children are being told it's OK to be gay yet 98% of children at this school are Muslim. It's a Muslim community'. Roughly 400 parents have barely consulted with Parkfield Community School and have instead signed a petition calling for the lessons to be dropped from the curriculum.

They've also withdrawn circa 600 kids which is approximately 80% of the pupil population in protest.

To make matters worse, Shabana Mahmood, Labour MP for Birmingham Ladywood, has come out in support of the parents, claiming there is no consultation taking place.

Shabana Mahmood on Twitter

This is actually untrue as a letter published by the school makes clear: they're planning to hold various meetings with parents throughout the next half term - presumably to let parents view the lesson material for themselves. This was the result of a meeting held roughly a week before Mahmood claimed there has been no consultation.

Additionally, Mahmood demands that the pupils' parents' religious beliefs be respected with regard to the curriculum. She is referring to a clause in certain laws passed by the government which grant exemptions from inclusive education on religious grounds; this was essentially added to ensure the Lords Spiritual did not vote down the bill on the basis that Church of England schools would have to host these lessons or ones like them.

The more cynical part of me does wonder if Mahmood's support for the parents stems in part because she is Muslim; but I need to balance this with the fact Mahmood has apparently

This whole situation does beg the following questions:

1. Given that LGBT people exist and some Parkfield kids may even have LGBTs friends/family, what age do these parents think is appropriate for the children to learn they exist;
2. Whose rights should take precedence? The rights of religious parents to ensure their children are not taught contrary to their religious beliefs or the rights of the kids to a balanced education?

Honestly, I would pull myself out of any such
lessons that someone might try to give me.

 

[Shad]

their children need to know it exists and understand without prejudice.

Given some of the parents are flipping out you should consider that religious indoctrination may shatter the idea of being prejudice and bias free in some cases. As it has done in other subjects as per the US. A number seem motivated to the point cthe parents view of Islam are going to be brought up in the home if not already.