Skwim
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Consider: free will is the ability to have done differently. In essence it means that at the point of doing A or B one has the ability to choose to do one rather than the other.
Consider: omniscience is commonly defined as knowing everything. And this means e v e r y t h i n g, NO exceptions. Moreover, this would include all those things god does.
So, If God foreknows the occurrence of some event E, then E necessarily has to happens. And if that necessary Event happens to be something god does, then god has to do it. If he doesn't do it then he is not omniscient; having failed to see that he would not do it. So, if god knows that in 24 years on June 2nd he will send a hurricane sailing into Florida, he does not have the choice not to send that hurricane. His will is not free to do otherwise.
Now, some Christians contend that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total. That God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill. Of course, limiting ones omniscience robs it of its very essence: knowing everything, which means he no longer merits the label, "omniscient." God is not omniscient at all---ya can't have your cake and eat it too. Moreover this convenient "sometimes-omniscience" is not grounded in scripture but, as noted, comes from a grasping attempt to redefine god's character so as fit within Christian theology.
Reminds me of the old Science Vs Creationist Cartoon where expediency drives one's logic.
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Consider: free will is the ability to have done differently. In essence it means that at the point of doing A or B one has the ability to choose to do one rather than the other.
Consider: omniscience is commonly defined as knowing everything. And this means e v e r y t h i n g, NO exceptions. Moreover, this would include all those things god does.
So, If God foreknows the occurrence of some event E, then E necessarily has to happens. And if that necessary Event happens to be something god does, then god has to do it. If he doesn't do it then he is not omniscient; having failed to see that he would not do it. So, if god knows that in 24 years on June 2nd he will send a hurricane sailing into Florida, he does not have the choice not to send that hurricane. His will is not free to do otherwise.
Now, some Christians contend that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total. That God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill. Of course, limiting ones omniscience robs it of its very essence: knowing everything, which means he no longer merits the label, "omniscient." God is not omniscient at all---ya can't have your cake and eat it too. Moreover this convenient "sometimes-omniscience" is not grounded in scripture but, as noted, comes from a grasping attempt to redefine god's character so as fit within Christian theology.
Reminds me of the old Science Vs Creationist Cartoon where expediency drives one's logic.
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