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Trend in RF

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
It look like there has become a trend in RF to have threads that want to degenerate religions and spiritual life, is this form not a religious form any more? Somehow it look like the form has become a forum for people to find fault in every religion they can. And make "fun" of those who take their religion seriously.

And if someone disagree in certain topic then they are bad people?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
RF is one of the few larger religious sites on the net that is not a bubble site where everyone agrees with everyone else. This means that people's views will be criticized. Thus, RF is necessarily for people who can take a little criticism. That is, we can't be both diverse and a bubble site at the same time. If you see anything that you feel crosses the line into a personal attack, then you should report it to the mods.

I've been on RF for 15 years. I don't see a new trend. It's pretty much the way it's always been.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
It look like there has become a trend in RF to have threads that want to degenerate religions and spiritual life, is this form not a religious form any more? Somehow it look like the form has become a forum for people to find fault in every religion they can. And make "fun" of those who take their religion seriously.

And if someone disagree in certain topic then they are bad people?
There seems to me to be a trend for people to post religious or faith-based claims in debate forums and then get upset when people engage in debating them. There are DIR forums for people who want to discuss their own religion or religions they are interested in with like-minded people. Debate forums are not the place to post if one is simply looking for reassurance or confirmation of one's beliefs.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
When people ask you to explain or clarify a statement or belief, they are not personally attacking you or disparaging you, when a person doesn't agree with you on a religious, philosophical or political position you are taking they are attacking the position and not you personally. When a person attacks you with ridicule or verbally harasses you then they are personally attacking you. And when that happens, you report them.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
There seems to me to be a trend for people to post religious or faith-based claims in debate forums and then get upset when people engage in debating them. There are DIR forums for people who want to discuss their own religion or religions they are interested in with like-minded people. Debate forums are not the place to post if one is simply looking for reassurance or confirmation of one's beliefs.
I am not talking about confirmation of own belief, i have no doubt in my own belief, What i talking about is when someone in discussions or in debate talk trash about religion because some if not all religion has some moral rules that should be followed, and it is the "should" that seem to be a problem, because people do not want to be told what to do if following that religion. or what is expected of the practitioners.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I am not talking about confirmation of own belief, i have no doubt in my own belief, What i talking about is when someone in discussions or in debate talk trash about religion because some if not all religion has some moral rules that should be followed, and it is the "should" that seem to be a problem, because people do not want to be told what to do if following that religion. or what is expected of the practitioners.
When you expect people to believe your "should" and not criticize it then your "should" is definitely the problem. Not everyone is going to like your "should". Half the problems in the world are caused by "shoulds"
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
When people ask you to explain or clarify a statement or belief, they are not personally attacking you or disparaging you, when a person doesn't agree with you on a religious, philosophical or political position you are taking they are attacking the position and not you personally. When a person attacks you with ridicule or verbally harasses you then they are personally attacking you. And when that happens, you report them.
Again it is not this I talking about.
What I trying to get forth is the constant negativity about how religions do their things, especially from people who do not follow that religion. It looks very much like it is a trend to talk down on beliefs that example say Homosexuality is a sin or that it shows less moral to act out the homosexual part in life.
But what people seem to not understand, those religious texts that say something like that, is NOT toward atheists who are homosexual, or about people in general who are homosexual, it is meant to say. if you are following example Christianity, it is ok to be homosexual, but one can not practice both being Christian and doing the act of same-gender sex. But if one dare to say this things one get almost harassed for being evil
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
When you expect people to believe your "should" and not criticize it then your "should" is definitely the problem. Not everyone is going to like your "should". Half the problems in the world are caused by "shoulds"
Living a spiritual/religious lifestyle does mean there are moral rules that are needed to understand and be followed, otherwise one can not rise inner wisdom.
It is a constant work on the inner spiritual life, to become without unwholsome thoughts, speech and acts. Living a religious life was not meant to be to do whatever we want, or desire
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Again it is not this I talking about.
What I trying to get forth is the constant negativity about how religions do their things, especially from people who do not follow that religion. It looks very much like it is a trend to talk down on beliefs that example say Homosexuality is a sin or that it shows less moral to act out the homosexual part in life.
But what people seem to not understand, those religious texts that say something like that, is NOT toward atheists who are homosexual, or about people in general who are homosexual, it is meant to say. if you are following example Christianity, it is ok to be homosexual, but one can not practice both being Christian and doing the act of same-gender sex. But if one dare to say this things one get almost harassed for being evil
When people tell you that they believe you are wrong, they are not personally attacking you. I personally believe that Batman could beat Darth Vader and there are people on this forum who will spend all day telling me I am wrong and they will try to prove it to me. But I would never consider them telling me I am wrong as a personal attack on me.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Living a spiritual/religious lifestyle does mean there are moral rules that are needed to understand and be followed, otherwise one can not rise inner wisdom.
It is a constant work on the inner spiritual life, to become without unwholsome thoughts, speech and acts. Living a religious life was not meant to be to do whatever we want, or desire
Then those morals and rules are morals and rules for you. That doesn't mean they are or should be morals and rules for everyone else, people have a right to disagree. This is a forum where such things are discussed and debated.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I am not talking about confirmation of own belief, i have no doubt in my own belief, What i talking about is when someone in discussions or in debate talk trash about religion because some if not all religion has some moral rules that should be followed, and it is the "should" that seem to be a problem, because people do not want to be told what to do if following that religion. or what is expected of the practitioners.

In the world today, Amanaki, some people are trying to reshape their religions into something better and more humane than their grandparents had. Other people, like you, are trying to prevent them from creating more humane religions in the name of preserving traditions. That's all fine.

That's all been going on now for thousands of years -- the struggle between the conservatives like you and the reformers like the people you criticize. It's not RF. It's everywhere.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
When people tell you that they believe you are wrong, they are not personally attacking you. I personally believe that Batman could beat Darth Vader and there are people on this forum who will spend all day telling me I am wrong and they will try to prove it to me. But I would never consider them telling me I am wrong as a personal attack on me.
Do you try to sidestep my OP? You do know i dont talk about sci-fi figures.
And again. I do not talk about someone attacking me personally, they attack religion in it self. But if a person is not religious why bother with what religious people say or do? it is their life to follow a religion. Atheists are not within a religion and would hence not be a part of the religious rules or guidelines. So yes some religious people do wrong too in saying bad about non belivers. But this thread is about why must non belivers "attack" belivers and their religion?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Then those morals and rules are morals and rules for you. That doesn't mean they are or should be morals and rules for everyone else, people have a right to disagree. This is a forum where such things are discussed and debated.
Now we start to come to same view. Religious people can talk about their religion without being afraid of non belivers if non belivers stop accusing belivers that their view is wrong.
We should not mix the religious rules with those who do not want or can follow them
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
In the world today, Amanaki, some people are trying to reshape their religions into something better and more humane than their grandparents had. Other people, like you, are trying to prevent them from creating more humane religions in the name of preserving traditions. That's all fine.

That's all been going on now for thousands of years -- the struggle between the conservatives like you and the reformers like the people you criticize. It's not RF. It's everywhere.
Then people do not understand religion. you can NOT change a word within a true religion because then it becomes a false religion and can not save any human being. If we change to religion to fit us, then we are doomed, but if we as human beings adapt to the religious practice then we can be saved. Religion is not about what we want, it is only a way to enlighten. and one does not enlighten by changing the way the religion was first given. Not ONE word should be changed. But yes i do know this happen within mostly every religion now.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Do you try to sidestep my OP? You do know i dont talk about sci-fi figures.
And again. I do not talk about someone attacking me personally, they attack religion in it self. But if a person is not religious why bother with what religious people say or do? it is their life to follow a religion. Atheists are not within a religion and would hence not be a part of the religious rules or guidelines. So yes some religious people do wrong too in saying bad about non belivers. But this thread is about why must non belivers "attack" belivers and their religion?
Atheist have a voice on this forum too. And given that they are not likely to agree with much of what religious people have to say and it is there right on this forum to disagree and say so in a civil manner and they for the most part do. They aren't attacking, they are disagreeing.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I think this forum is fine. More than fine. It contains the constructive criticism necessary for me to improve, without resorting to personally attacking me. When such a thing is achieved, it's like a dream to those of a more open, free-spirited mind. So from my limited worldview, I really think that members do a good job, and that the staff very very likely does too.

If anything, this forum has taught me that sometimes you have to put strong notions aside in the pursuit of truth, intellectual honesty, and many other things.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Atheist have a voice on this forum too. And given that they are not likely to agree with much of what religious people have to say and it is there right on this forum to disagree and say so in a civil manner and they for the most part do. They aren't attacking, they are disagreeing.
In a civil manner yes, then I agree to discuss with you. but there have been posts that were not in a good manner, that is what triggered my OP today. And no I am not mad at any specific person in the forum, I am not hurting anyone. I just want more civilized discussions
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I think this forum is fine. More than fine. It contains the constructive criticism necessary for me to improve, without resorting to personally attacking me. When such a thing is achieved, it's like a dream to those of a more open, free-spirited mind. So from my limited worldview, I really think that members do a good job, and that the staff very very likely does too.

If anything, this forum has taught me that sometimes you have to put strong notions aside in the pursuit of truth, intellectual honesty, and many other things.
I like you.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
There seems to me to be a trend for people to post religious or faith-based claims in debate forums and then get upset when people engage in debating them. There are DIR forums for people who want to discuss their own religion or religions they are interested in with like-minded people. Debate forums are not the place to post if one is simply looking for reassurance or confirmation of one's beliefs.
That's an important point.
 
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