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Are You a God

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Are you a god?


jesus said yes.
ray was told to say yes.
alan said yes.
the mahavakyas say yes

if the ALL is omnipresent, yes.





Not by any typical definition of God in the English language. If you redefine God to mean something completely redundant like, "everything," then sure, but it's a useless label.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Are you a god?


jesus said yes.
ray was told to say yes.
alan said yes.
the mahavakyas say yes

if the ALL is omnipresent, yes.






Of course not. If I were, i would not believe in my existence, which seems to contradict a couple of premises.

Ciao

- viole
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
We are all God!

Still the noise and you will realize it.

If everyone is a God then no one is a God. No one is above anyone else. There is none that anyone needs to listen to, follow or worship unless I suppose one is wanting to worship themselves.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
If everyone is a God then no one is a God. No one is above anyone else. There is none that anyone needs to listen to, follow or worship unless I suppose one is wanting to worship themselves.
You may not be familiar with the non-dual (God and creation are not-two) school of thought.

In non-dual thought, all consciousness is God/Brahman but we temporarily live under the illusion of separateness. So ultimately the word ‘worship’ makes no sense and is replaced by ‘Self-Realization’.

If you’re not familiar with non-dual (Advaita) thought then it will usually take time to sink in.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
You may not be familiar with the non-dual (God and creation are not-two) school of thought.

In non-dual thought, all consciousness is God/Brahman but we temporarily live under the illusion of separateness. So ultimately the word ‘worship’ makes no sense and is replaced by ‘Self-Realization’.

If you’re not familiar with non-dual (Advaita) thought then it will usually take time to sink in.

Ok, but even in this situation, what would the word God mean? Consciousness? Why associate the term God with consciousness?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Ok, but even in this situation, what would the word God mean?
Something like this, maybe?

Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God") is the belief that the divine pervades and interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond space and time. In panentheism, God is viewed as the soul of the universe, the universal spirit present everywhere, which at the same time "transcends" all things created. Some forms indicate that the universe is contained within God, like in the Kabbalah concept of tzimtzum. Also much Hindu thought – and consequently Buddhist philosophy – is highly characterized by panentheism."

hyperlink >>> wikipedia.org - Panentheism

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George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Ok, but even in this situation, what would the word God mean? Consciousness? Why associate the term God with consciousness?
I prefer the term Brahman myself but when talking to people of western culture the word Brahman is not understood. God is only the best approximation word in English.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Something like this, maybe?

Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God") is the belief that the divine pervades and interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond space and time. In panentheism, God is viewed as the soul of the universe, the universal spirit present everywhere, which at the same time "transcends" all things created. Some forms indicate that the universe is contained within God,[2] like in the Kabbalah concept of tzimtzum. Also much Hindu thought – and consequently Buddhist philosophy – is highly characterized by panentheism."

Panentheism - Wikipedia

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I understand but if we are apply the term God to everything, than what does the term actually mean?

God = everything in this universe then everything = God. Why not just use the term "Everything" instead of God? If God = everything than why associate the term God to anything?

What is useful about the term God?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I prefer the term Brahman myself but when talking to people of western culture the word Brahman is not understood. God is only the best approximation word in English.

In western terms Brahman = the ultimate reality?

What do you know of the ultimate reality?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Something like this, maybe?

Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God") is the belief that the divine pervades and interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond space and time. In panentheism, God is viewed as the soul of the universe, the universal spirit present everywhere, which at the same time "transcends" all things created. Some forms indicate that the universe is contained within God, like in the Kabbalah concept of tzimtzum. Also much Hindu thought – and consequently Buddhist philosophy – is highly characterized by panentheism."

hyperlink >>> wikipedia.org - Panentheism

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The question is, what evidence do we have that this accurately describes reality?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I understand but if we are apply the term God to everything, than what does the term actually mean?

God = everything in this universe then everything = God. Why not just use the term "Everything" instead of God? If God = everything than why associate the term God to anything?

What is useful about the term God?

Exactly! The term itself is not useful. The idea is useful.

Practical applications:

If I am you, and you are me. Why should we fight? Fighting with you is like fighting with myself.
If I am you, and you are me. How can I let you go hungry? Feeding you is like feeding myself.

etc, etc, etc...
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Exactly! The term itself is not useful. The idea is useful.

Practical applications:

If I am you, and you are me. Why should we fight? Fighting with you is like fighting with myself.
If I am you, and you are me. How can I let you go hungry? Feeding you is like feeding myself.

etc, etc, etc...

Ok, it is a useful perception for your goals. There are other goals, other useful perceptions. You use what is useful to you.

Just doesn't happen to be useful for me but that certainly isn't your problem. :cool:
 
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