Trigger warning: Can Christians be gay or bisexual?

[Subduction Zone]

Can Christians be gay or bisexual?

Sure, if they're celibate. Even if they've acted on it if they confess it as a sin and ask for the Lord to help them.

But one thing I have rarely, if ever, seen, which doesn't bode well for active gays: Their repentance. Jesus said, "Unless you repent, you too will perish." That goes for heterosexual fornicators and adulterers also.

You forgot that gay people can get married now. They can get married to the one that they love just as you and I can.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sexual perversion and immorality was their sin also.

Jude 7 (New Testament): "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

That obviously does not include homosexuality. It is neither.

 

[Spartan]

That obviously does not include homosexuality. It is neither.

And your basis for that is?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

And your basis for that is?

The Bible is quite explicit about the sins of Sodom. Homosexuality isn't on the list. The sin in the Angel story is attempted RAPE of guests, not attempted homosexuality.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Sodomy is bad because Sodom was destroyed. Sodom was destroyed becayse Sodomy is bad.

Is there anyone here who can't see how this is unsupported circular logic?

 

[Spartan]

The Bible is quite explicit about the sins of Sodom. Homosexuality isn't on the list. The sin in the Angel story is attempted RAPE of guests, not attempted homosexuality.

I strongly disagree. I just quoted Jude 7 which confirms sexual immorality and perversion at Sodom and Gomorrah.

Jude 7 - "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

'...for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old (Genesis 19:4)," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced.'

Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."


Responding to Pro-Gay Theology, Part III

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I strongly s3xual immorality isagree. I just quoted Jude 7 which confirms sexual immorality and perversion at Sodom and Gomorrah.

Jude 7 - "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

'...for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old (Genesis 19:4)," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced.'

Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."


Responding to Pro-Gay Theology, Part III

It claims sexual immorality and perversion. It doesn't mention homosexuality. You are interpreting it as such, I humbly submit, because you have been brought up to think sexual immorality and perversion are interchangeable with homosexuality. And that's fine for you to interpret it that way, but it's just that, an interpretation. The Bible doesn't actually make the claim you seem to think it does.

I s7bmi5 tor your consideration, when the Bible talks of "sexual immorality abd perversion" in Sodom, what it's talking about is attempted RAPE, not homosexuality.

 

[sojourner]

Sexual perversion and immorality was their sin also.

Jude 7 (New Testament): "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

That doesn’t say anything, though, about why the story is there, and what its intended lesson was.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And your basis for that is?

Have you ever studied the subject? It occurs naturally in many animal species, including man. People are born that way and they do no harm to others. What makes you think that it is immoral or a perversion? You need a lot more than verses quoted out of context from a book of myths.

 

[Spartan]

It claims sexual immorality and perversion. It doesn't mention homosexuality. You are interpreting it as such, I humbly submit, because you have been brought up to think sexual immorality and perversion are interchangeable with homosexuality. And that's fine for you to interpret it that way, but it's just that, an interpretation. The Bible doesn't actually make the claim you seem to think it does.

I s7bmi5 tor your consideration, when the Bible talks of "sexual immorality abd perversion" in Sodom, what it's talking about is attempted RAPE, not homosexuality.

Believe whatever you want. And I doubt homosexual rape would appeal to anyone except homosexual offenders. And for the record, homosexual sin is called a perversion and an abomination in the Bible.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Believe whatever you want. And I doubt homosexual rape would appeal to anyone except homosexual offenders.

So? Heterosexual rape only appeals to heterosexuals.That doesn't make rape OK

And for the record, homosexual sin is called a perversion and an abomination in the Bible.

Highly, highly debatable.

 

[sojourner]

There's only one definition which Jesus attaches to love... He says if we love Him we must keep His commandments and remember He advised one that the greatest commandment is to love the LORD our God with everything

Unfortunately for your argument, Jesus never issues a commandment against homosexuality.

 

[sojourner]

Can Christians be gay or bisexual?

Sure, if they're celibate. Even if they've acted on it if they confess it as a sin and ask for the Lord to help them.

But one thing I have rarely, if ever, seen, which doesn't bode well for active gays: Their repentance. Jesus said, "Unless you repent, you too will perish." That goes for heterosexual fornicators and adulterers also.

Except that homosexuality isn’t a sin and therefore does not warrant repentance. Undue judgment against another, however, is a sin. Have you repented of that sin?

 

[sojourner]

Sexual perversion and immorality was their sin also.

Jude 7 (New Testament): "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Jude doesn’t define Genesis. It may comment on an opinion, but it doesn’t speak to what the writer had in mind.

 

[sojourner]

Believe whatever you want. And I doubt homosexual rape would appeal to anyone except homosexual offenders. And for the record, homosexual sin is called a perversion and an abomination in the Bible.

Problem is, homosexuality itself is not a perversion. Neither are all homosexual acts.

 

[sojourner]

And your basis for that is?

The fact that psychology defines it as a normal sexual orientation. Homosexuality does not appear in the DSM.

 

[Spartan]

The fact that psychology defines it as a normal sexual orientation. Homosexuality does not appear in the DSM.

It did before the politically correct crowd threw a hissy fit.

 

[Spartan]

Problem is, homosexuality itself is not a perversion. Neither are all homosexual acts.

The WORD OF GOD says your wrong.

 

[Spartan]

Jude doesn’t define Genesis. It may comment on an opinion, but it doesn’t speak to what the writer had in mind.

Sorry, I'll take Jude over your politically correct folly any day.

 

[Spartan]

So? Heterosexual rape only appeals to heterosexuals.That doesn't make rape OKHighly, highly debatable.

I never said it did make it ok.