Angels and demons.

[sooda]

Talk about nonsense!

Read your Bible.

 

[LightofTruth]

Read your Bible.

I don't simply read it, i delve deep into it.

 

[sooda]

I don't simply read it, i delve deep into it.

Do you really?

Maybe Moses got confused when he wrote the Pentateuch.

With the blood line of the Nephilim wiped out in the flood, one wonders why suddenly the giants reappear in the Bible. The Nephilim reappear again in the book of Numbers, and once again this disparate tradition is unique to this book. (It would appear that the books of Samuel are following the Numbers tradition in telling the tale of Goliath, the giant.)

"‘And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.' Then all the congregation raised a loud cry; and the people wept that night." (Numbers Chapter 13 verse 33)

The resurrection of the giants. Nephilim after the flood. Did Moses write the Bible?

 

[PureX]

According to you.

According to anyone with a basic education, and a functional brain, yes. I didn't make up the phenomena of mythology. It's a long and on-going aspect of human cultural history. All human cultures create myths and use them for the same basic purpose. If you want to blindly refuse to acknowledge that, then I think you're being willfully foolish. And that's a very bad habit for any human being to allow themselves to fall into. It's bad for them, and it's bad for those around them. Because sooner or later, those fools are going to try and force their delusional view of reality onto reality, itself, and when that happens, much needless suffering and strife will result. And in the end, the fools will lose that struggle, because the truth is 'what is', not whatever the fool chooses to believe it to be.

 

[LightofTruth]

Do you really?

Maybe Moses got confused when he wrote the Pentateuch.

With the blood line of the Nephilim wiped out in the flood, one wonders why suddenly the giants reappear in the Bible. The Nephilim reappear again in the book of Numbers, and once again this disparate tradition is unique to this book. (It would appear that the books of Samuel are following the Numbers tradition in telling the tale of Goliath, the giant.)

"‘And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.' Then all the congregation raised a loud cry; and the people wept that night." (Numbers Chapter 13 verse 33)

The resurrection of the giants. Nephilim after the flood. Did Moses write the Bible?

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This type lived both before and after the flood.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What religious texts?

Watchman Nee is an author sold in many Christian bookstores. Another one is Benny Hinn. A lot of the popular books about demon possession allege that there are classes of demons, some of which are fallen angels. There is a class of Christian fiction that builds on this. Frank Perretti has a series. Also some of the books about prophecies and predictions will refer to this. The most common claim is that Satan is a fallen angel. Actually a lot of people believe that he was the archangel and fell because of pride.

These aren't things I believe.

 

[LightofTruth]

According to anyone with a basic education, and a functional brain, yes. I didn't make up the phenomena of mythology. It's a long and on-going aspect of human cultural history. All human cultures create myths and use them for the same basic purpose. If you want to blindly refuse to acknowledge that, then I think you're being willfully foolish. And that's a very bad habit for any human being to allow themselves to fall into. It's bad for them, and it's bad for those around them. Because sooner or later, those fools are going to try and force their delusional view of reality onto reality, itself, and when that happens, much needless suffering and strife will result. And in the end, the fools will lose that struggle, because the truth is 'what is', not whatever the fool chooses to believe it to be.

You're kidding right.

 

[sooda]

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This type lived both before and after the flood.

If they were all drowned how do they show up again in the book of Numbers?

 

[sooda]

Watchman Nee is an author sold in many Christian bookstores. Another one is Benny Hinn. A lot of the popular books about demon possession allege that there are classes of demons, some of which are fallen angels. There is a class of Christian fiction that builds on this. Frank Perretti has a series. Also some of the books about prophecies and predictions will refer to this. The most common claim is that Satan is a fallen angel. Actually a lot of people believe that he was the archangel and fell because of pride.

These aren't things I believe.

In Islam and ancient Judaism there are a number of myths about Lilith. One is that after the Fall Adam and Eve were separated (as punishment) for 130 years.. During this time Adam cohabited with Lilith and she gave birth to demons.

This stuff just goes on an on...

 

[Brickjectivity]

In Islam and ancient Judaism there are a number of myths about Lilith. One is that after the Fall Adam and Eve were separated (as punishment) for 130 years.. During this time Adam cohabited with Lilith and she gave birth to demons.

This stuff just goes on an on...

Were these superstitions or fun stories with a moral or what?

 

[sooda]

Were these superstitions or fun stories with a moral or what?

I think the Lilith stories go to the Babylonian Talmud.

You have to remember that Muslims and Jews don't believe in original sin. In Islam its certain that God forgave Adam and Eve.

 

[PureX]

You're kidding right.

Perhaps we can chat more when you are able to compose more than a three word sentence. And one that actually contains some sort of an idea, rather than just some mindless visceral exclamation.

 

[LightofTruth]

You're off topic

 

[sooda]

You're off topic

Isn't this thread about angels and demons?

 

[Wandering Monk]

As long as we are dealing in make-believe things, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

 

[LightofTruth]

If they were all drowned how do they show up again in the book of Numbers?

They are describe as offspring of followers of God who marry out of faith or God's way.

 

[Kenny]

Eve and the Identity of Women: 7. Eve & Lilith
witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/7evelilith.html
Through her couplings with the devil (or with Adam, as his succubus), Lilith gave birth to one hundred demonic children a day (the one hundred children threatened with death by the three angels). In this way, Lilith was held responsible for populating the world with evil.

Yes, that comes from a Mishra. Which are stories.

 

[Kenny]

Those angels were men who lived in the days of Noah before the flood. Those men chose to leave their dwelling place, east of Eden, and go after the women of Nod instead of marrying in the faith. God was very displeased with them because they chose to NOT follow His way. So God brought the flood and killed them all.

That is one of two interpretations

This refers back to the garden when man sinned because he would become as "one of us", angels of light to know good and evil.

Scriptural support, please.

 

[PureX]

As long as we are dealing in make-believe things, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

ALL of them! *chuckling*

 

[Stevicus]

how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

It's a trick question. Angels can't dance.