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Angels and demons.

Stevicus

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Staff member
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I'm referring to the idea that demons are said to be angels. However, not by Scripture. Only in the false ideas of religious sects.

Does anyone actually say that demons are angels? I've never heard of that, and most people seem to understand the difference. Even I can tell the difference. Demons are red, with pitchforks, tail, horns - sometimes with a beard and an evil grin. Angels are in some kind of white gown, with wings and a halo.

Sometimes, angels will play a harp, while demons play electric guitars. (They might play a fiddle on occasion, but not as good as Charlie Daniels.)

The point is, there's a clear difference here, and I don't think anyone would get them confused.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Can Angels (messengers) become evil and deliver false message? would that lead them to be a form of demons?
The wages of sin is death. God's angels in heaven don't die. Therefore they don't sin.
Any angel said to have sinned refers to man.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Does anyone actually say that demons are angels? I've never heard of that, and most people seem to understand the difference. Even I can tell the difference. Demons are red, with pitchforks, tail, horns - sometimes with a beard and an evil grin. Angels are in some kind of white gown, with wings and a halo.

Sometimes, angels will play a harp, while demons play electric guitars. (They might play a fiddle on occasion, but not as good as Charlie Daniels.)

The point is, there's a clear difference here, and I don't think anyone would get them confused.
Have you heard the one about angels coming down to have sex with mortal women and creating giants as offspring?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The wages of sin is death. God's angels in heaven don't die. Therefore they don't sin.
Any angel said to have sinned refers to man.

You take things quite literally.. What do you think of Lilith and Adam's offspring being demons?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Can Angels (messengers) become evil and deliver false message? would that lead them to be a form of demons?
Great question. I'm not sure it really will ever be answered as the Bible never answers where demons came from.

Jude 1:6
And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place—these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.

Here, it doesn't say they became demons and these, specifically, seem to be bound.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light;

Certainly he delivers a false message... but still called an angel.

Some people think that demons are from a pre-Adamic race... but it really isn't delineated specifically.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Great question. I'm not sure it really will ever be answered as the Bible never answers where demons came from.

Jude 1:6
And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place—these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.

Here, it doesn't say they became demons and these, specifically, seem to be bound.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light;

Certainly he delivers a false message... but still called an angel.

Some people think that demons are from a pre-Adamic race... but it really isn't delineated specifically.
Thank you for this answer, that made it more clear to me :)
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Great question. I'm not sure it really will ever be answered as the Bible never answers where demons came from.

Jude 1:6
And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place—these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.

Here, it doesn't say they became demons and these, specifically, seem to be bound.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light;

Certainly he delivers a false message... but still called an angel.

Some people think that demons are from a pre-Adamic race... but it really isn't delineated specifically.

Eve and the Identity of Women: 7. Eve & Lilith
witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/7evelilith.html
Through her couplings with the devil (or with Adam, as his succubus), Lilith gave birth to one hundred demonic children a day (the one hundred children threatened with death by the three angels). In this way, Lilith was held responsible for populating the world with evil.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Great question. I'm not sure it really will ever be answered as the Bible never answers where demons came from.
Yes it does.

And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place—these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.

Here, it doesn't say they became demons and these, specifically, seem to be bound.

Those angels were men who lived in the days of Noah before the flood. Those men chose to leave their dwelling place, east of Eden, and go after the women of Nod instead of marrying in the faith. God was very displeased with them because they chose to NOT follow His way. So God brought the flood and killed them all.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light;
This refers back to the garden when man sinned because he would become as "one of us", angels of light to know good and evil.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Yes it does.



Those angels were men who lived in the days of Noah before the flood. Those men chose to leave their dwelling place, east of Eden, and go after the women of Nod instead of marrying in the faith. God was very displeased with them because they chose to NOT follow His way. So God brought the flood and killed them all.

This refers back to the garden when man sinned because he would become as "one of us", angels of light to know good and evil.

What nonsense.. The Nephilim show up again in the very next chapter... so they didn't all drown.

  1. The Return of the Nephilim: AFTER the Flood
    www.babylonrisingblog.com/Nephilim3.html
    Again, there is absolutely NO mention of Fallen Angels mating with women to produce the giants that they saw, roughly 850+ years after the Flood. These Nephilim giants were the sons of another Nephilim giant named Anak. The great giant producing father named Anak was himself fathered by an individual named Arba. Arba means four.

  2. The Nephilim: Before and After the Flood - History of Israel
    www.israel-a-history-of.com/the-nephilim-before-and-after-the-flood.html
    The Nephilim: Before and After the Flood. He was born a winged Nephilim, that had his wings plucked by Yah, the 'winged lion' of Daniel, the 'fiery flying serpent', that is the fruit/child/offspring of the cockatrice, i.e. Heylel/Lucifer SON OF Shachar or Apollyon, the destroyer, the king of the bottomless pit.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
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Have you heard the one about angels coming down to have sex with mortal women and creating giants as offspring?

No, I hadn't heard about that, although I have heard old stories and folklore about giants. But they're usually pretty bad - "fe fi fo fum" and that kind of thing. I didn't think they'd be offspring of angels. On the other hand, Paul Bunyan and the Jolly Green Giant are considered good giants, so I guess they're not all bad.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
What nonsense.. The Nephilim show up again in the very next chapter... so they didn't all drown.

  1. The Return of the Nephilim: AFTER the Flood
    www.babylonrisingblog.com/Nephilim3.html
    Again, there is absolutely NO mention of Fallen Angels mating with women to produce the giants that they saw, roughly 850+ years after the Flood. These Nephilim giants were the sons of another Nephilim giant named Anak. The great giant producing father named Anak was himself fathered by an individual named Arba. Arba means four.

  2. The Nephilim: Before and After the Flood - History of Israel
    www.israel-a-history-of.com/the-nephilim-before-and-after-the-flood.html
    The Nephilim: Before and After the Flood. He was born a winged Nephilim, that had his wings plucked by Yah, the 'winged lion' of Daniel, the 'fiery flying serpent', that is the fruit/child/offspring of the cockatrice, i.e. Heylel/Lucifer SON OF Shachar or Apollyon, the destroyer, the king of the bottomless pit.
Talk about nonsense!
 

PureX

Veteran Member
God created the heavens and the earth. What more reality do you need.
That's not reality, that's mythology. I am not against mythology, it has it's place and it's purpose. But it's purpose is NOT TO DEFINE REALITY. It's purpose is to convey the ideals and ideology that the people who created the myths thought important, to each other, and to their own succeeding generations.
 
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