I found something that is getting to me.I need a jw to help me with this one

[Frank Goad]

In the Rich Man and Lazarus, we find that dead people’s spirits are carried immediately to reward or punishment. Hear Jesus: “The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out…”

Here we have the disembodied spirits of two dead people feeling, thinking, seeing, talking, reasoning and crying out. Why does Jesus use such ideas if they aren’t true? The Word says that Jesus “brought life and immortality to light,”[9]but if His account here doesn’t reflect realty then Jesus was obscuring the truth about immortality instead of bringing it to light.

I found this on this website: Soul Sleep Disproved | The Christian Answer Man

 

[Frank Goad]

I made a post about lazarus and the rich man before.But couldn't remember the website i originally got it from.Just in case you don't know.The website is in my first post.

 

[Frank Goad]

In 2 Timothy 1:10.It says jesus brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.How much of the gospel are we talking here?All?Some?

 

[Deeje]

In the Rich Man and Lazarus, we find that dead people’s spirits are carried immediately to reward or punishment. Hear Jesus: “The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out…”

Here we have the disembodied spirits of two dead people feeling, thinking, seeing, talking, reasoning and crying out. Why does Jesus use such ideas if they aren’t true? The Word says that Jesus “brought life and immortality to light,”[9]but if His account here doesn’t reflect realty then Jesus was obscuring the truth about immortality instead of bringing it to light.

I found this on this website: Soul Sleep Disproved | The Christian Answer Man

The rich man and Lazarus is a parable. Everything in it is symbolic, not literal.
The rich man represented the arrogant Pharisees and the beggar represented the "lost sheep" to whom Jesus was sent. Their deaths represent a reversal of their fortunes. They traded places with the "bosom of Abraham" representing a position of favor with God. The Pharisees lost it.....the spiritual beggars found it by accepting Jesus as Messiah.

Do you really imagine that heaven and hell are in speaking distance to each other?
And could a drop of water on someone's finger cool them in burning heat?

Everything on the website you posted is misinterpreted.

 

[Frank Goad]

In the Rich Man and Lazarus, we find that dead people’s spirits are carried immediately to reward or punishment. Hear Jesus: “The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out…”

Here we have the disembodied spirits of two dead people feeling, thinking, seeing, talking, reasoning and crying out. Why does Jesus use such ideas if they aren’t true? The Word says that Jesus “brought life and immortality to light,”[9]but if His account here doesn’t reflect reality then Jesus was obscuring the truth about immortality instead of bringing it to light.

I found this on this website: Soul Sleep Disproved | The Christian Answer Man

What does the website owner mean?I bolded all the stuff i didn't get.

 

[Kenny]

In the Rich Man and Lazarus, we find that dead people’s spirits are carried immediately to reward or punishment. Hear Jesus: “The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out…”

Here we have the disembodied spirits of two dead people feeling, thinking, seeing, talking, reasoning and crying out. Why does Jesus use such ideas if they aren’t true? The Word says that Jesus “brought life and immortality to light,”[9]but if His account here doesn’t reflect realty then Jesus was obscuring the truth about immortality instead of bringing it to light.

I found this on this website: Soul Sleep Disproved | The Christian Answer Man

They are true. But remember, Jesus hadn't yet died for all sins so those who had previously died in faith of redemption were held in the place called Abraham's Bosom or Paradise until Jesus finished the work of redemption.

 

[Kenny]

What does the website owner mean?I bolded all the stuff i didn't get.

I would disagree with the posters position of "but if His account here doesn’t reflect reality then Jesus was obscuring the truth about immortality instead of bringing it to light" - it does reflect reality and Jesus wasn't obscuring the truth but rather was bringing everything to light and understanding.

 

[Frank Goad]

They are true. But remember, Jesus hadn't yet died for all sins so those who had previously died in faith of redemption were held in the place called Abraham's Bosom or Paradise until Jesus finished the work of redemption.

Thanks for your feedback!But i want a jw post to follow yours so i can compare.

 

[Kenny]

Thanks for your feedback!But i want a jw post to follow yours so i can compare.

Happy to share.

 

[LightofTruth]

In the Rich Man and Lazarus, we find that dead people’s spirits are carried immediately to reward or punishment. Hear Jesus: “The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out…”

Here we have the disembodied spirits of two dead people feeling, thinking, seeing, talking, reasoning and crying out. Why does Jesus use such ideas if they aren’t true? The Word says that Jesus “brought life and immortality to light,”[9]but if His account here doesn’t reflect realty then Jesus was obscuring the truth about immortality instead of bringing it to light.

I found this on this website: Soul Sleep Disproved | The Christian Answer Man

The text says nothing about disembodied spirits. If you're going to make things up then you don't need scripture.

 

[Lyndon]

Good Jehovah's Witnesses get to heaven, Good Methodists get to heaven, which makes the OPs quarrels with JWs rather pointless IMHO

 

[Pete in Panama]

...If you're going to make things up then you don't need scripture.

Sure, but if you quote scripture while making things up then it's easier to get people to take your fantasies seriously.

Something interesting here is how the maker-uppers will instead sometimes add science quotes into their imaginings. Works pretty much the same, and this in turn presents yet another indication that science and religion are one.

 

[LightofTruth]

What does the website owner mean?I bolded all the stuff i didn't get.

The website owner is a deceiver and a fraud because the Scripture NEVER says anything about "disembodied spirits". Nor does it EVER mention "immortal souls" as taught by false religions.

 

[LightofTruth]

Good Jehovah's Witnesses get to heaven, Good Methodists get to heaven, which makes the OPs quarrels with JWs rather pointless IMHO

No one gets to heaven who holds antichrist doctrine. Antichrist doctrine claims that Jesus had not come in the flesh that all man share alike. 2 John 1:7

 

[Lyndon]

No one gets to heaven who holds antichrist doctrine. Antichrist doctrine claims that Jesus had not come in the flesh that all man share alike. 2 John 1:7

So now you're playing God, that should get you to heaven right quick!!

 

[LightofTruth]

So now you're playing God, that should get you to heaven right quick!!

I have nothing to discuss with anyone who does not accept the scripture to be the teaching of God.

 

[Lyndon]

Scripture is the teaching of Man, hopefully inspired of God but not always, if you rely on scripture rather than God's guidance you may get really confused!!

 

[LightofTruth]

Scripture is the teaching of Man, hopefully inspired of God but not always, if you rely on scripture rather than God's guidance you may get really confused!!

God's guidance?
Please explain.

 

[Lyndon]

if you don't have God's guidance, you're kind of lost, no??

 

[LightofTruth]

if you don't have God's guidance, you're kind of lost, no??

God's guidance is taught by Scripture. Does God guide you in contradiction to Scripture?