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Countries banning of kosher meats are forcing "expulsion" of Jews

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Only on fish farms in a very select set of countries. I would expect other countries to adopt the killing methods for their farms and maybe even outlaw open sea fishing which is not (to my mind) like a single hunter stalking an animal, but a massive collection on an industrial scale.
Those farms still exist. But still, let's worry more about that when a firm consensus on fish and pain comes to bear.

For this issue, it is clear beyond a doubt that large mammals such as cattle feel pain. This can be observed physically and vocally from the smallest pain to the greatest, and is clearly seen in ancient and outdated methods of slaughter. Furthermore, and again, that these animals are placed in our care as livestock, there is a greater responsibility to humane and ethical slaughter. Kosher slaughter does not achieve this, as the animals can still be seen to struggle and suffer after their throats are slit.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
It really shows how shallow this initiative is, because theyre willing to make exceptions for hunters, but not for certain religious groups.

That is because the masses do not consume game animal nor even have any interest unless directed to care by others. Heck my brother had to put two rounds into a moose a few years ago. The steaks and jerky were not harmed! Again the masses will care when someone tells them to care.

...the inconsistency shows something... strange..? Even illogical..?

Yes. Government is not a logic based institution nor are the whims of the masses.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
It strikes me that topics like "how to safely slaughter animals" should be removed from ALL modern religions. Kosher slaughtering practices were probably "the state of the art" two or three thousand years ago, but by today's standards they are no longer the state of the art in any respect, and they are unnecessarily cruel.

To be clear, this is my opinion regardless of which religion is involved.
Agreed. Kosher and halal slaughter, as well as factory farms can all be banned in my opinion.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Didn't expect this given your posting history.

I wrote a post about it on here soon after I joined.

I have been vegetarian all my life and became a vegan a several years ago.

Unusual I know for someone that was born and brought up on dairy farm.

I think I mentioned The Silence of the Lambs in that post.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I wrote a post about it on here soon after I joined.

I have been vegetarian all my life and became a vegan a several years ago.

Unusual I know for someone that was born and brought up on dairy farm.

I think I mentioned The Silence of the Lambs in that post.

I do not read intro posts. It just seems odd given your political views. The political stereotypes between vegans and your own posting history as far as I have read.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
I do not read intro posts. It just seems odd given your political views. The political stereotypes between vegans and your own posting history as far as I have read.

I believe that animals should be treated with respect in the same way that I believe that humans should be treated equally without fear or favour.
 

KelseyR

The eternal optimist!
Many animals start feasting before their kill is dead. Jewish practices are civilized compared to that.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Give me your very best reason why you say this. Be specific.

What's the matter, cannot you even defend your own beliefs?

It's not up to me to prove the "kosher slaughter" is cruel and inhumane, that's self evident.

If a serial killer went on trial for slitting people and making them suffer a prolonged and agonizing death as they s-l-o-w-l-y bleed to death, with his victims in pain and full well knowing that they were dying for all that time, he would be branded a sick and cruel evil monster.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
What's the matter, cannot you even defend your own beliefs?

It's not up to me to prove the "kosher slaughter" is cruel and inhumane, that's self evident.

If a serial killer went on trial for slitting people and making them suffer a prolonged and agonizing death as they s-l-o-w-l-y bleed to death, with his victims in pain and full well knowing that they were dying for all that time, he would be branded a sick and cruel evil monster.

Its NOT slow.. Its very fast. Have you never seen a skilled Halal or Kosher butcher?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Absolutely not. kosher slaughter is designed to be humane. Animals are unconscious within second if done properly.

Yes.. and its dependent on the skill of the person doing the slaughtering. I just wonder how "efficiently" a high speed commercial slaughtering operation could meet the standards of Halal or Kosher.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Its NOT slow.. Its very fast. Have you never seen a skilled Halal or Kosher butcher?

I find it strange how so many man made religions are so totally devoid of any empathy or compassion, and only teach cruelty and utter evilness.
 
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