Countries banning of kosher meats are forcing "expulsion" of Jews

[The Kilted Heathen]

No one said you have to do anything.

I think you misunderstand. You asked if I would foresee the banning of practices on the same level. I don't have to imagine this; it is something that already is.

Here is the kernel of your error. You assume I am here arguing in favor of maintaining something. I am not. I have been clear about my purpose here -- to discuss whether the banning was anti-semitic (vs anything else) and to disabuse people of mistaken notions about a religious law.

This has been about as clear as mud. If this is not your stance, then apologies, but throughout the thread you've been pitching vague notions such as moving away from god's law or focusing on man rather than god.

If this is what you 'believe', then it is your religion.

No, that is not my religion. My religion is clearly displayed. If you're going to do nothing but spout assumption after assumption, then we've very little to discuss here landon.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for the invite but I'll pass. I faint at the sound of blood. If you have medical insight which trumps that author, I would suggest that you contact him about his claims and address his various medical degrees. As I have none, I can't present an opinion. I quoted authors on both sides of the issues and haven't checked the bona fides of either.

If he has those degrees then he really has no business making such obviously false claims. Cognitive dissonance is often a problem when one's religious beliefs are threatened. This appears to be a case of that. There are a handful of creation "scientists" that have degrees and totally lose the ability to reason when evolution is brought up. I can see that it also happens with magic meat mania.

 

[We Never Know]

I've skimmed through the thread. Didn't look at every post yet also didn't see anyone explain all the pain and suffering the animals goes through.
Can someone lay out what that is?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've skimmed through the thread. Didn't look at every post yet also didn't see anyone explain all the pain and suffering the animals goes through.
Can someone lay out what that is?

I can't explain it to you but I can show you:

 

[We Never Know]

I can't explain it to you but I can show you:

You don't know what that animal is feeling anymore than we know what a late term fetus feels during abortion but you are ok with that if I remember right.

As for those animals, we band em and brand em too. Let me cut your testies off or put a hot iron to your cheeks and tell me it was painless and you didn't suffer. Can I run you through an electric bath to see if you can tell me it's painless?

This butchering, if it didn't have anything to do with religion, you wouldn't care.
How's it worse that hunting with a bow? Many animals are hard to kill with a bow and when shot run off and die a long suffering death. What do you think, should we outlaw bow hunting?

 

[We Never Know]

I can't explain it to you but I can show you:

Is that suffering or just the fight or/and flight response? You know survival mode.

 

[We Never Know]

I can't explain it to you but I can show you:

Not to mention have you ever cut the head off a chicken? The body flops all around. Is the chicken suffering or is it nerves twitching? How can it suffer without a head?

 

[We Never Know]

I can't explain it to you but I can show you:

Many people will cut a snake up or beat it to death when they see it. What gives those animals more rights than a snake? Or a cockroach you squish and watch squirm. Or a fish you caught, kept in a live well, and then fillet it alive.

 

[We Never Know]

I can't explain it to you but I can show you:

Let's look at a worm. It's dug up, thrown in a bucket, has a hook ran threw several parts of its body, thrown helpless in water, torn up by a fish, the fish is hooked in its mouth(which always does damage when it fights or breaks the line and left with a hook in its mouth), the fish is fillet alive. Why are you not fighting for worm and fish pain and suffering?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you don't understand the debate. I suggest that you read the thread from the start.

 

[We Never Know]

I don't know about anyone else, when I fish out on the lake the fish are kept alive in a live well. Get them back home and while alive, I put a fillet knife behind their gill taking skin with scales off, flip it over and do the other side, then with the same knife strip it of its meat, both sides... All while it's alive. Throw down the what's left and they flip around sometimes. I would think those fish feel more pain and suffer more than the form of killing/butchering being argued about here.

My question is.. what makes the pain and suffering of those cattle, pigs, sheep, ect more important than the fish? Anyone?

 

[charlie sc]

You don't know what that animal is feeling anymore than we know what a late term fetus feels during abortion but you are ok with that if I remember right.

As for those animals, we band em and brand em too. Let me cut your testies off or put a hot iron to your cheeks and tell me it was painless and you didn't suffer. Can I run you through an electric bath to see if you can tell me it's painless?

This butchering, if it didn't have anything to do with religion, you wouldn't care.
How's it worse that hunting with a bow? Many animals are hard to kill with a bow and when shot run off and die a long suffering death. What do you think, should we outlaw bow hunting?

Tu quoque fallacy.

Is that suffering or just the fight or/and flight response? You know survival mode.

Mammals are much closer to humans than other species. They also have emotions.

Many people will cut a snake up or beat it to death when they see it. What gives those animals more rights than a snake? Or a cockroach you squish and watch squirm. Or a fish you caught, kept in a live well, and then fillet it alive.

Tu quoque.

Wow, quite impressive. Five posts all consisting of some tu quoque fallacy.

 

[We Never Know]

So you don't understand the debate. I suggest that you read the thread from the start.

The debate is about pain and suffering of animals being killed. There is nothing different between this and killing fish, worms, roaches, etc except this debate evolves a religious culture.

 

[We Never Know]

Tu quoque fallacy.


Mammals are much closer to humans than other species. They also have emotions.


Tu quoque.

Wow, quite impressive. Five posts all consisting of some tu quoque fallacy.

Instead of hiding and calling fallacy, tell me how it's different.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The debate is about pain and suffering of animals being killed. There is nothing different between this and killing fish, worms, roaches, etc except this debate evolves a religious culture.

No, not quite. Try again.

 

[We Never Know]

No, not quite. Try again.

Then tell me what it is about if I'm wrong.

 

[We Never Know]

Tu quoque fallacy.


Mammals are much closer to humans than other species. They also have emotions.


Tu quoque.

Wow, quite impressive. Five posts all consisting of some tu quoque fallacy.

I see. In you mind some animals have rights and some don't. It all depends on how you value them.

 

[We Never Know]

Tu quoque fallacy.


Mammals are much closer to humans than other species. They also have emotions.


Tu quoque.

Wow, quite impressive. Five posts all consisting of some tu quoque fallacy.

By the way, many species are more active, protective, efficient, organised, harder working, environmental friendly, etc that even us humans. I can think of ants, bees, termites, etc. Do they have rights?

 

[charlie sc]

I see. In you mind some animals have rights and some don't. It all depends on how you value them.

I never said that. Wow, strawmanning me too. You're on a roll.

My question is.. what makes the pain and suffering of those cattle, pigs, sheep, ect more important than the fish? Anyone?

Empathy. Humans have empathy. One way we determine what is wrong vs right is by utilising, or not, empathy. Sometimes we don't have a choice in the matter. For instance, kittens. As an observation, we tend to empathise more with beings that are more like us. Mammals are more like us.

By the way, many species are more active, protective, efficient, organised, harder working, environmental friendly, etc that even us humans. I can think of ants, bees, termites, etc. Do they have rights?

Huh? Efficiency = rights?

 

[charlie sc]

By the way, many species are more active, protective, efficient, organised, harder working, environmental friendly, etc that even us humans. I can think of ants, bees, termites, etc. Do they have rights?

Seriously, stop before things get worse for you.