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Life Raft

Only room for 1, make your choice.

  • Pregnant Lady

  • Killer in cuffs


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columbus

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Thing is you dont know. You can only make decision based of what you can see and current knowledge.

The lady is pregnant. That's all you know about her.

The convict you can discern he is dangerous, or why else would he be in handcuffs?
Here's another hypothetical.

Your wife of 40 years in the lifeboat. She's a wonderful woman, superb mother of y'alls children, totally godly. If anybody is going to Heaven, it's her. You are absolutely confident about that.

A guy who appears to be a convict, probably a physical danger, is struggling alongside your lifeboat. You don't know him, but you can guess that without repentance he is headed for Hell when he dies. Which looks to be in a couple of minutes.

Do you keep her and let him die? Or do you toss her and give him a small chance to repent? By giving him her place on the lifeboat.
Tom
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
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Hypothetical situation.

You're airplane has crash landed in the ocean. Luckily the airline you used is one of the few that provides inflatable life rafts. You begin helping survivors onto the life raft. But it's almost full. You have only 1 spot left and the raft is at capacity. 2 survivors left asking for help.

One is a pregnant lady.

The other is a convicted killer in cuffs struggling to stay afloat.

Make your choice.
If the idea is that human life starts at conception, then by the rules, the pregnant woman is two people and cannot be brought on board.
 

Erebus

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I would let both on and then jump into the ocean and embrace the sweet release of death.

I am not, I repeat NOT, prepared to share a few feet of space with another human being for what could well be weeks on end. I don't even like eating in front of other people.
 

Stevicus

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Hypothetical situation.

You're airplane has crash landed in the ocean. Luckily the airline you used is one of the few that provides inflatable life rafts. You begin helping survivors onto the life raft. But it's almost full. You have only 1 spot left and the raft is at capacity. 2 survivors left asking for help.

One is a pregnant lady.

The other is a convicted killer in cuffs struggling to stay afloat.

Make your choice.

Well, I don't know. Assuming that the flight crew was acting professionally, they would be the ones to make the choice.

Just as long as they don't run out of coffee.

 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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Well, I don't know. Assuming that the flight crew was acting professionally, they would be the ones to make the choice.

Just as long as they don't run out of coffee.


Nope flight crew is dead. Make a decision if you are capable.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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I am not, I repeat NOT, prepared to share a few feet of space with another human being for what could well be weeks on end. I don't even like eating in front of other people.
Think of other people as potential food.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Do you take me for a savage?

You need a proper oven along with a well-stocked spice cabinet if you're going to make it a worthwhile meal.
All starving people become savages.
Even Hillary would chow down on Donald when hunger calls.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
It is perfectly logical reasoning following the rules and using the idea that some claim about the start of human life. I am just exposing a loophole.

Not a loophole.

Because in the real situation a pregnant woman is not going to occupy the space of 2 people unlike in your loophole.
 

siti

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Do you take me for a savage?
I had to read this a few times - to convince myself that the last word wasn't 'sausage'...anyway, I chose the pregnant lady - 'cos it seems right and it seems to me that seeming right is the basis of moral decision-making.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Not a loophole.

Because in the real situation a pregnant woman is not going to occupy the space of 2 people unlike in your loophole.
Perhaps so, but far from ridiculous. Of course, she might take up more space than a woman of similar age and build or even a convicted killer. It would also depend on how close she was to giving birth. We were not given information on the size of the space or the size of the women or the convict, merely that there was space for one more.

In any event, most cannot base the choice completely on morals alone. I note the several points and questions raised by others as support of that. What about moral obligation and practical concerns regarding the others on the raft? That has to be considered, if we are basing our choice on high minded principles.

Who would you choose?

If the decision is to be based on morality and I must make the call, I will offer the woman my seat and this will allow the convict a chance to live as well. Perhaps to reform himself by the example of my morality.
 
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