That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

[We Never Know]

If Egypt really had lost all its first born sons, lost its army, and lost all its slave labor, and this all went unnoticed by her rival nations; this would indeed be a myth.

The story goes first born sons. You added the rest or they are different stories. However the pyramids were built with slave labour, the army's survived to fight, rival nations fought and lost and won. What point were you making?

 

[Stanyon]

He said, bereft of any evidence.
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Look up shigella among gay and bisexual men on the CDC (Centre for disease control) website.
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[PoetPhilosopher]

The topic is sin. Which isn't quantifiable by science, therefore science has no weight in the discussion of sin.

Yeah, what we may disagree on is whether empirical science could potentially tell one much about God and the human condition.

Human science kind of does, but that's not empirical science.

 

[We Never Know]

If you read the entire passage you included, you'll notice it also says... sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. So God does not single out the practice of homosexuality, as you are doing.
I would say that homosexuality along with other sinful practices are detested by God because they are harmful and against His design for human beings.

We humans are the worst species on the planet. We kill, poison, pollute and destroy everything. We've made millions of species go extinct. What does your god say about thst, Are we still great?

 

[Enoch07]

Yeah, what we may disagree on is whether empirical science could potentially tell one much about God and the human condition.

Human science kind of does, but that's not empirical science.

But if someone wanted to hypothetically discuss sin from the viewpoint of science, they are more than welcome. But in the science forums, not in the religious sections.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

But if someone wanted to hypothetically discuss sin from the viewpoint of science, they are more than welcome. But in the science forums, not in the religious sections.

Okay but without science and human science, we are just countering Bible verses with Bible verses. In such a Bible verse versus Bible verse state, the side who says homosexuality is wrong will win. That's not even the question at hand.

 

[Skwim]

Sure He does.

And you know this to be a fact because ________________________________________ .

Science has no weight when it comes to a religious discussion about sin. So don't even bother wasting your time.

It has when you use scientifically defined words such as "homosexual" and have no idea what they mean.


Have a good day, and start hitting those books.

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[Enoch07]

Okay but without science and human science, we are just countering Bible verses with Bible verses.

That's what a religious debate is.

 

[Skwim]

Look up shigella among gay and bisexual men on the CDC (Centre for disease control) website.
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Hey, I'm still waiting for your evidence that

"Gay men regularly ingest medically significant amounts of feaces through some of their sexual practices."​

As for looking up shigella among gay and bisexual men on the CDC, the whole thing is your claim, so you have the responsibility of looking it up on the CDC, not me. If you don't want to offer it up as some kind of evidence so be it.

In any case, this is taking the thread off topic, and thus not worth pursuing. HOWEVER, if you do want to pursue the topic I suggest you post a thread on it. Might be interesting after all.
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[Ellen Brown]

In a post in another thread it was mentioned that god considers gay sex a sin. Nothing new. Everyone knows it, but it got me wondering why. What is so wrong about an act, which only brings pleasure and hurts no one, that god considers it a sin? So much so, in fact, that if one engages in homosexual sex god will bar such an unrepentant or ignorant sinner from Heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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While, as I understand it, it's no sin to have a homosexual attachment to someone, as long as it isn't lustful I guess, it does imply that once pee pees touch or hoo-has meet it's all over. Think of it. Let the sexual organs of two homosexuals get as close as possible while still leaving breathing space between them and you're home free. BUT let the two touch for just a fraction of a second and god will have picked up on it and punched your ticket to hell.

I know the Bible doesn't explain why god detests homosexual sex in particular---although "denial" does come to mind---but shouldn't there be an obvious reason for it? Or does it all come down to invoking the old "God Works In Mysterious Ways" rationalization?


In any case, let's hear it people! The Reason God Detests Homosexual Sex Is BECAUSE:____________________________________________ .
(And "because It's icky" is not an acceptable answer.)

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To add to the confusion, the son of a Jewish Rabbi, who himself had four degrees in various things hebrew once told me that for example Deut 22:5 does not at all say what Biblical extremists say it does. He said the passage merely meant that Men and Women were to stay out of each others tents.

I don't condemn anyone, the condemnation I feel for my own failings being sufficient. For me, any sort of fooling around outside a lawful marriage contract is icky.

 

[Skwim]

To add to the confusion, the son of a Jewish Rabbi, who himself had four degrees in various things hebrew once told me that for example Deut 22:5 does not at all say what Biblical extremists say it does. He said the passage merely meant that Men and Women were to stay out of each others tents.

Probably a transvestite trying to explain away Deuteronomy's condemnation.

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[Stanyon]

Hey, I'm still waiting for your evidence that

"Gay men regularly ingest medically significant amounts of feaces through some of their sexual practices."​

As for looking up shigella among gay and bisexual men on the CDC, the whole thing is your claim, so you have the responsibility of looking it up on the CDC, not me. If you don't want to offer it up as some kind of evidence so be it.

In any case, this is taking the thread off topic, and thus not worth pursuing. HOWEVER, if you do want to pursue the topic I suggest you post a thread on it. Might be interesting after all.
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My responses have nothing to do with any concept of a God nor any sin, it is strictly from a medical standpoint as described by the Centre for Disease Control and other sources. I have long felt that what consenting adults do amongst themselves is entirely their own business but I think it would be disingenuous when looking at the medical evidence to claim that the HIV/AIDS epidemic was not due to the sexual practices of gay and bisexual males, the evidence is pretty clear that it was/ is.

 

[lickylasagna]

being gay is not the wrong because men do not exist, and women are property therefore the homos can't exist because humans arent real, only jesus is

 

[JJ50]

Only the sick in the head think there is anything wrong with being gay. Jesus could have been gay, having a specific disciple whom he loved.

 

[Enoch07]

And you know this to be a fact because

Because He says so in the Bible.

It has when you use scientifically defined words such as "homosexual" and have no idea what they mean.

Nope I use the PC word to be safe so I don't get dinged for hate speech. Science has no way to quantify sin, so it has nothing to say on the subject, at least not in the religious section.

 

[Enoch07]

It has when you use scientifically defined words such as "homosexual" and have no idea what they mean.

Now if you want to bring science into the debate to prove your claim. You would have to show us the methods you used to measure or weigh sin, the different types, and a control. The show us that homosexuality is less sinful because it weighs less, or has less matter etc.

Which is not possible at this time.

So other than that all you can do is argue verses or opinion.

 

[Stanyon]

The U.S. is spending over 28 billion dollars per year on aids related issues.

 

[blü 2]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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(And "because It's icky" is not an acceptable answer.)
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Why did Asherah divorce Yahweh?

Why did he never remarry?

 

[Deeje]

This is basically a moral issue.

In God's law no one was entitled to sex unless they were lawfully (scripturally) married. Same sex couples, though pushing for recognition of their "marriage", might be acceptable according to the law of the land, but will never reach legitimate marriage status with God who formed "male and female" and said "what God has yoked together, let no man put apart". (Matthew 19:4-6)

Illicit sex is what is wrong, no matter the gender. But what makes male homosexual sex especially rate a mention in scripture is where the sacred seed of life is deposited. Not exactly a respectful repository.

 

[JJ50]

This is basically a moral issue.

In God's law no one was entitled to sex unless they were lawfully (scripturally) married. Same sex couples, though pushing for recognition of their "marriage", might be acceptable according to the law of the land, but will never reach legitimate marriage status with God who formed "male and female" and said "what God has yoked together, let no man put apart". (Matthew 19:4-6)

Illicit sex is what is wrong, no matter the gender. But what makes male homosexual sex especially rate a mention in scripture is where the sacred seed of life is deposited. Not exactly a respectful repository.

God would be a crazy hypocrite, if it existed. It supposedly got Mary pregnant before she married Joseph!

There is nothing wrong with having sex before marriage if you are in an adult relationship, provided you take proper precautions.