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If God becomes assumed, He must be accepted. Thus, any agnostic is Theist.

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Some human knows more, some knows less. Let us find the maximum of knowledge. I have no circular element:

1. Hypothesis: some human knows all.

2. Among his knowledge is knowledge of own existence.

3. Therefore, there is knowledge that such human exists.

4. Therefore, our hypothesis has been proven.

Theorem of Theology:

If God becomes assumed, He must be accepted. Thus, any agnostic is Theist.

Proof of Theorem:

Let us assume, that a X knows everything. Thus, this X knows about the existence of himself. Now, because X knows everything, and he knows about existence of himself, then the Existence of X is knowledge.

Let us assume, that Omniscient one exists. Thus, he knows about the existence of himself. Now, because Omniscient one knows everything, and he knows about existence of himself, then the Existence of Omniscient one is knowledge.

The DNA, design, and Laws in Nature is Information. Thus, it must have source.

The set of Natural Laws is as much complex as the Nature itself. Where the design of Laws came from? Naturalist would say, that the Laws of Nature simply have always existed. But he is wrong. The Nature has started, there was Virtual Big Bang. Thus, Laws of Nature have origin.

my argumentation has no circular element.
 

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crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Any sentient being is sentient due to having a subjective mind.
Confusing the subjective for the objective is called delusion.
Therefore, any sentient being (possessing a subjective mind) is subject to delusion (confusing the subjective for the objective.)
Assumptions are subjective, since they are subjectively processed.
What a conundrum! ;)
 

PureX

Veteran Member
"God thinks therefor God is". Very creative.

But the agnostic doesn't assume that God thinks, or is.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
But if we assume there is a circular argument and therefore it’s an argument for itself, your argument must be circular. :cool:
No, somebody is hallucinating! Look how simple: Let us assume, that Omniscient exists. Thus, He must know own Existence. Thus, Existence of Omniscient is part of Omniscience.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
He assumes it for the times he needs Him. Thus, there are no atheists in Wars.
Many agnostics have no such need. Also, you are confusing 'the agnostic' with 'agnosticism'. People are capable of holding more than one opinion on reality at a time, whereas the philosophical/theological designations are the respective opinions, themselves. Agnosticism as a philosophical opinion does not assume the existence of gods. "If God becomes assumed ... ", the person doing the assuming is no longer agnostic.
 
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HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
No, somebody is hallucinating! Look how simple: Let us assume, that Omniscient exists. Thus, He must know own Existence. Thus, Existence of Omniscient is part of Omniscience.
Yes, if you assume an omniscient being exists, you can prove an omniscient being exists. How is that not circular?

Can you prove an omniscient being exists without that assumption though? Can you prove omniscience can even exist given its fundamentally circular and infinite nature (it knows everything, including knowing it knows everything, including knowing it knows it knows everything and on ad infinitum)? It’d be line using dots on a piece of paper to count the dots on the same piece of paper.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
He assumes it for the times he needs Him. Thus, there are no atheists in Wars.

Bullpoop. I know of several atheists who have fought in wars. The person who came up with that quote was a very disturbed individual who considered lying for his god about what he didnt understand to be of more value than truth.
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Military Atheists are under verbal attack! Somebody, call Trump to use Nukes!


Think, who is the bravest soldier...?

  • One who goes to war with a cuddly teddy bear for comfort.
  • One who goes to war with the (mistaken) assumption that the god sitting on their shoulder will protect them from harm
  • One who goes to war with no talisman, just their own conviction they are doing what is right
 
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