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What Did Jesus Actually Do?

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Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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From a historical standpoint, what, in his own lifetime, did Jesus of Nazareth achieve? I am having trouble figuring this out, because I can see objectively that Muhammad had a huge impact upon not only his own society but others, all within his lifetime. That the impact was either good or bad is not my point here, but that had had one. Baha'u'llah had some direct impacts, if small, upon his society. In contrast, I can't think of anything Jesus did that no-one else could have done.

He was born, he preached, he was executed.

This is probably going to turn into an 'It was all Paul not Jesus' thread, but have at it anyway.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
From a historical standpoint, what, in his own lifetime, did Jesus of Nazareth achieve? I am having trouble figuring this out, because I can see objectively that Muhammad had a huge impact upon not only his own society but others, all within his lifetime. That the impact was either good or bad is not my point here, but that had had one. Baha'u'llah had some direct impacts, if small, upon his society. In contrast, I can't think of anything Jesus did that no-one else could have done.

He was born, he preached, he was executed.

This is probably going to turn into an 'It was all Paul not Jesus' thread, but have at it anyway.

He established a new covenant. He laid down what Thomas Jefferson called, "the most pure, benevolent, and sublime (precepts) which have ever been preached to man."

He healed the sick, raised the dead, and defeated Satan at Calvary so that all who believed in Jesus could be saved unto eternal life.

And he changed the world for the better.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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He established a new covenant. He laid down what Thomas Jefferson called, "the most pure, benevolent, and sublime (precepts) which have ever been preached to man."

He healed the sick, raised the dead, and defeated Satan at Calvary so that all who believed in Jesus could be saved unto eternal life.

And he changed the world for the better.
This is your belief.

And unlike the Jewish belief that Moshe wrote the Torah and Muahammad gave the Qur'an, Christians do not believe Jesus wrote any of what is ascribed to him.

What did he do objectively?
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
Philosophically, he combined the healing, passiveness, and message of James of Carthage with the slaughtered Messiah of the Essenes. Actual accomplishments? He drew the ire of Rome without going into their documentation.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
From a historical standpoint, what, in his own lifetime, did Jesus of Nazareth achieve? I am having trouble figuring this out, because I can see objectively that Muhammad had a huge impact upon not only his own society but others, all within his lifetime. That the impact was either good or bad is not my point here, but that had had one. Baha'u'llah had some direct impacts, if small, upon his society. In contrast, I can't think of anything Jesus did that no-one else could have done.

He was born, he preached, he was executed.

This is probably going to turn into an 'It was all Paul not Jesus' thread, but have at it anyway.
He told parables

as simple as that may seem....

miracles are temporary

His teachings......forever
 

Spartan

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This is your belief.

And unlike the Jewish belief that Moshe wrote the Torah and Muahammad gave the Qur'an, Christians do not believe Jesus wrote any of what is ascribed to him.

What did he do objectively?

I already told you. And Jesus didn't have to write books about himself. He knew the Christ mockers wouldn't believe him anyway. :)
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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I already told you. And Jesus didn't have to write books about himself. He knew the Christ mockers wouldn't believe him anyway. :)
I do not need to believe in Muhammad and his Qur'an to understand that he had a direct impact upon Arabia in his lifetime and that only a certain type of individual could have achieved this. What did Jesus do that I need not believe?
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
I can find this in Judaism though, which came before Christianity, what makes Jesus' parables so exciting? They exist in all religions.
recently....someone dropped the notation......Lectio Divina
in response to a post I wrote

had to look it up

so it seems....I have this natural lean to place myself in the scenario

and it moves me

be it parables
be it report of event
I can see it.....as if I am standing right there
 

Spartan

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recently....someone dropped the notation......Lectio Divina
in response to a post I wrote

had to look it up

so it seems....I have this natural lean to place myself in the scenario

and it moves me

be it parables
be it report of event
I can see it.....as if I am standing right there

I've heard several times from sources that Jesus' "The Prodigal Son" is a literary masterpiece.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Nothing special. Even his purported teachings weren't original. Siddhartha's teachings are superior when it comes to establishing a doctrine of tolerance, compassion and methods of dealing with daily life, imo, and he was centuries earlier than Jesus. Jesus had a lot of character flaws, too.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Philosophically, he combined the healing, passiveness, and message of James of Carthage with the slaughtered Messiah of the Essenes. Actual accomplishments? He drew the ire of Rome without going into their documentation.

One of several that finally got Rome so aggravated that
they decided to get tough.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I've heard several times from sources that Jesus' "The Prodigal Son" is a literary masterpiece.
oh yeah...…

picture yourself.....yes you can....
ANY character in the story

a Father sees His son coming home
years have passed.....no word of him.....
and he is there making his approach to home

celebration ……!!!!!!!


and the alleged obedient......complains....

and the Father rebukes him..!!!!
your brother has returned
and you protest ……????????????

and of course ….I can see myself as that wayward son
oh yeah

coming home....
to a place I am not worthy to set foot upon.....

yeah
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
oh yeah...…

picture yourself.....yes you can....
ANY character in the story

a Father sees His son coming home
years have passed.....no word of him.....
and he is there making his approach to home

celebration ……!!!!!!!


and the alleged obedient......complains....

and the Father rebukes him..!!!!
your brother has returned
and you protest ……????????????

and of course ….I can see myself as that wayward son
oh yeah

coming home....
to a place I am not worthy to set foot upon.....

yeah

If you think your response is a literary classic you would be badly mistaken.
 
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