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If theists created concept of God,

chinu

chinu
If Y created X, that does not entail X cannot be opposed.
For instance, nazis invented the concept of a super race, that does not entail we should not oppose it.

Ciao

- viole
Very good question. In fact, this is question I was looking for somebody to ask :)

Concept of Super-Race exist in real. That is why opposers opposed it.

Do you think “God” is ? :)
 

chinu

chinu
Well perhaps you are the only "true" theist. In which case, congratulations.

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Thank you :)
Nice dance!
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Very good question. In fact, this is question I was looking for somebody to ask :)

Concept of Super-Race exist in real. That is why opposers opposed it.

Do you think “God” is ? :)

Well, since the germans and the japanese had probably very different ideas of what a superior race must look like, then I suppose that the fact that there are also different opinions about gods, does not entail we should not oppose the concept(s).

Ciao

- viole
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
Actually, mostly there are false-theists. A true theist is very rare.
If there would have have been NO false theist,indeed, the case, we would have no use for a word like “proselytize.”

What are the qualifications for a “false-theist?”

Conversely, what are the qualifications for a “true-theist?”
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
But, what is the problem with atheists ?
Theists are not forcefully imposing their ideas on atheists.
Why not Atheists stay away from Theists and all their ideas, or concepts and mind their own businesses ?


What a kind of jealous/envy is this with somebodies ideas ?
You are living in a rainbow and unicorns bubble. As we speak, the religious right in this country are attempting to remove women's rights to their own bodies. And are being successful in some states.

Not that they give a damn what happens to that child once they are born into a poverty-stricken abusive life.

This is just one of many reason non-believers can't just ignore the bully-bull. Believe me, we have much better things to do with our time than trying to keep up with policies imposed on us by Bible believers.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
True theist is the one who doesn't force his/her belief on others.
I think you and your children are the victim of a false-theists.

Who is to judge who is a false theist and who isnt?

Why would a false theist use theist concepts to threaten? My guess is they are true theist taking their holy book literally... Many do

It is not just once but several different theists on several occasions and i can pretty much guarantee that i am not the only atheist to be verbally abused by theists.

There are a few such theists on this forum who delight in attempting to ridicule and mock atheists and what they call atheist beliefs, i.e. science... the hatred is palpable. None the less, they truly believe that they are abiding by their god will.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Who is to judge who is a false theist and who isnt?

Why would a false theist use theist concepts to threaten? My guess is they are true theist taking their holy book literally... Many do

It is not just once but several different theists on several occasions and i can pretty much guarantee that i am not the only atheist to be verbally abused by theists.

There are a few such theists on this forum who delight in attempting to ridicule and mock atheists and what they call atheist beliefs, i.e. science... the hatred is palpable. None the less, they truly believe that they are abiding by their god will.

True theist is a pretty silly idea since all that is required to be a theist is a belief in some God.

I suppose there is a group of atheists going about pretending to believe in a God just for the sake of giving theists a bad name. :rolleyes:
 

ACEofALLaces

Active Member
Premium Member
ACEofALLaces said:
"ESPECIALLY, if they tell you that you will go to hell and be punished mercilessly for eternity, for NOT listening".

I don't think any theist ever told this forcefully to any atheist, unless atheist went to ask.
You apparently haven't been accosted like I have, then. Used to be I could not go ANYWHERE without having someone come up to me....start up a seemingly casual conversation, then literally out of the BLUE, ask me if I have been "SAVED" yet, or some such equally nonsensical question.

If atheist don't like the idea, than why not leave it ? why jealous ? why oppose ? :)
Can't "leave" it...as "THEY" will not leave it alone..."THEY" are commissioned by their "good book", to go out and harass as many people about the "good news" as they possibly CAN.

Some are much more subtle than others....some simply continue humming some annoying little tune...and when questioned about it, (it WAS "bait", doncha know), they come back with they are singing about JEEEZUS and how much they looooove JEEZUS.

Has absolutely nothing to do with being "jealous" of them or what they believe. I personally do leave it alone and do not necessarily "oppose" it....that is, until they get in my face about it, either in person or on a forum such as this....usually with some snide innuendo...fishing for a response.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
True theist is a pretty silly idea since all that is required to be a theist is a belief in some God.

I suppose there is a group of atheists going about pretending to believe in a God just for the sake of giving theists a bad name. :rolleyes:


It is truly amazing how many true theists judge other theists as being not true theists. I have come across this gross contravention of matthew 7:1-5 three times in the last three weeks. What is truly amazing is that none of those doing the judging see anything contrary to christianity in making judgement on others christians.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
But, what is the problem with atheists ?
Theists are not forcefully imposing their ideas on atheists.

Well, that is the thing. They very often are, to the point of demanding or even just expecting reverence, privilege and even legal exception.

I suppose it may be different in your community. In many of ours there is a lot of good reason to confront and challenge theists.

Why not Atheists stay away from Theists and all their ideas, or concepts and mind their own businesses ?

Because that is too much to ask - and if it were not too much, we would have no reason to ask that of atheists instead of theists, who are after all those who expect concessions from others.

What a kind of jealous/envy is this with somebodies ideas ?

Honestly, I have no idea of what you mean here. I suspect that you have a conception of atheists, and of how they relate to theists, that is very unlike my own experience and conceptions.

I am in serious doubt of whether your conception is even realistic. Maybe it was taken from the Qur'an or something?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I don't think any theist ever told this forcefully to any atheist, unless atheist went to ask.
If atheist don't like the idea, than why not leave it ? why jealous ? why oppose ? :)
Honestly, you are entirely clueless here.

Theists very often expect and even demand other people to be or pretend to be theists even when they know better.

There are many reasons to resist that. Intellectual honesty, opposition to discrimination, respect towards theism, you name it.

You really ought to be asking theists why they are so unaccepting of atheism, not the other way around.
 
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