Can Muslims take women as slaves and then rape them?

[2ndpillar]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

 

[sooda]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

That already happened. Arabs, Syrians and Persians fought with the Roman Legions in 70 AD.

If you are concerned about rape in warfare. Look at the number of rapes in occupied Berlin at the end of WW2.

 

[2ndpillar]

That already happened. Arabs, Syrians and Persians fought with the Roman Legions in 70 AD.

If you are concerned about rape in warfare. Look at the number of rapes in occupied Berlin at the end of WW2.

Your Muslim cleric is giving permission to rape before you have even been captured. As for Zechariah 14:2, that has to do with the LORD going forth to fight the nations, and the nations will be defeated by LORD and Judah, and Judah will gather the gold and silver of the nations after the nations die while standing on their feet (Zechariah 14:12-14). Your history and loyalties are a little muddled.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't have a Muslim cleric, you nitwit.. and clerics don't have authority.

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May 01, 2002 · 'They raped every German female from eight to 80'. Rape is the act of a conqueror, the feminist historian Susan Brownmiller observed, aimed at the "bodies of the defeated enemy's women" to emphasise his victory. Yet after the initial fury of January 1945 …

The existence of wartime rape isn't in doubt.
But it's recognized as illegal & not allowed by most regimes under whom it occurs.
In this thread, the question is whether Islam allows rape of captives.
I did a brief internet search, & found divided opinions.
It appears that if a Muslim wants to rape captives, then
scripture is flexible enuf that it can be read to allow it.
Ref....
Are Muslim men allowed to take "sex slaves?"

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, Moses was first to do that.
17. "Now therefore kill every boy, and kill every woman who has been intimate with a man in bed. 18 But all the young women who have not experienced a man’s bed will be yours." (Numbers 31)

Mohammad and his followers did that routinely. That was part of the booty, 20% to Mohammad for God and the rest to the soldier as a gift of God - 'Maal-e-Ghanimat' (what your right hand holds). The slaves could be exchanged, as it happened in case of Juwayriyya bint al-Harith, who initially fell in the lot of a companion, Thabit b. Qays b. Al-Shammas, and Safiyya bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab who was intitially a slave of Dihya. Mohammad erred only in one case, that of Maria al-Qibtiyya, slave of his wife, Hafsa bint Umar. Maria was not held in the right hand of Mohammad. But Allah is great, he cleared the way for Mohammad: "O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise."

"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl' (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born." Sahih Muslim 3371.

 

[Stanyon]

The cleric looks like Sascha Baron Cohen

That being said all one has to do is look to just about any conflict involving Muslims and rape and enslavement of people seems to be standard practice. There may be some who disagree whether or not it is condoned but I'd say past and present conflicts and their behaviours in them show the truth of the matter.

 

[sooda]

The existence of wartime rape isn't in doubt.
But it's recognized as illegal & not allowed by most regimes under whom it occurs.
In this thread, the question is whether Islam allows rape of captives.
I did a brief internet search, & found divided opinions.
It appears that if a Muslim wants to rape captives, then
scripture is flexible enuf that it can be read to allow it.
Ref....
Are Muslim men allowed to take "sex slaves?"

Slavery was abolished in 1952 when King Ibn Saud died.

 

[Revoltingest]

Slavery was abolished in 1952 when King Ibn Saud died.

But that doesn't address the question of whether the religion still allows it.

 

[sooda]

But that doesn't address the question of whether the religion still allows it.

Actually it does...…..

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually it does...…..

The ruling one one person isn't binding upon all believers.
And as we see in the OP, there is diversity in Muslims' beliefs.

 

[sooda]

The ruling one one person isn't binding upon all believers.
And as we see in the OP, there is diversity in Muslims' beliefs.

It became illegal in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Nakosis]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

Religious text, IMO, should never be accepted as moral justification.

 

[sooda]

Religious text, IMO, should never be accepted as moral justification.

This imam in Wales ought to be in jail.

Ali Hammuda is an Imam at Cardiff’s Al-Manar Mosque, where three Islamic State (IS) fighters worshipped before travelling to Syria. They were known as the “Cardiff jihadis” before one was killed in an RAF drone strike as he was thought to be plotting attacks in the UK.

As for Zechariah 14:2 2I

Uzziah. Uzziah, also spelled Ozias, also called Azariah, or Azarias, in the Old Testament (2 Chronicles 26), son and successor of Amaziah, and king of Judah for 52 years ( c. 791–739 bc ). Assyrian records indicate that Uzziah reigned for 42 years ( c. 783–742). His reign marked the height of Judah’s power.
Uzziah | king of Judah | Britannica.com
www.britannica.com/biography/Uzziah

 

[sun rise]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

Breitbart?

 

[Audie]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

Can they? They been doing it.

Is all how you read the books.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Slavery was abolished in 1952 when King Ibn Saud died.

Do the employers in Saudi Arabia (or Gulf countries) now treat their workers from third world countries any differently?

 

[sooda]

Do the employers in Saudi Arabia (or Gulf countries) now treat their workers from third world countries any differently?

They always paid well enough that foreign workers had enough money to support large extended families in their countries of origin.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sad that such primitive barbarity is still embraced by many in the modern world. If they want to behave like cavemen, perhaps they should be sealed away in caves.

 

[sooda]

Sad that such primitive barbarity is still embraced by many in the modern world. If they want to behave like cavemen, perhaps they should be sealed away in caves.

Foreign workers in Arabia who overstay their iqama get into trouble because they are vulnerable. They fall thru the cracks and outside the protection of the law. Just like illegals in the US.

 

[2ndpillar]

Can they? They been doing it.

Is all how you read the books.

The Iman is talking about an up and coming war. They kind of lost their last war where they seemed to assert Muslim ability to rape their captures in the name of their Allah. According to Zechariah 14, their last raping escapade will be on the women in Jerusalem in the up and coming day of Judgment (Joel 3:2) & (Zechariah 14) & (Revelation 16:13-16). My question is does the Iman have any Islam authority to sanction rape, and why are they speaking up now that they have just lost one war, and the warriors in the waiting to invade Jerusalem are the Iranians with their Russian, North Korea, and Pakistani technologies, all helped paid for by our friend Barrack Hussein Obama.