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Why women shouldn't be ordained in any Christian church. (Christian)

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
The man gives the seed: the woman nourishes it in her womb.

This is the law of nature.

The Lord Jesus Christ provided the Seed, His Word.

The Church, His Wife, nourishes the Seed, the Word as a child in the womb.

Women are not created by God to provide the Seed, the Word.

Only men are.

Listen to Archbishop Sheen:

19:50

 
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Katja

Member
I'm suspecting troll here, but okay, I'll engage.

That wasn't even a complete thought. You spoke of Christ and the Church, not men and women. You still haven't said exactly what you think the role of actual women is in all this.

Even when I was a little kid and didn't understand this attitude, I didn't understand this attitude. Who are usually the most religious in a family/community? Who were Jesus' most faithful disciples? Yet these people should be excluded from the faith? Come on.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The man gives the seed: the woman nourishes it in her womb.

This is the law of nature.

The Lord Jesus Christ provided the Seed, His Word.

The Church, His Wife, nourishes the Seed, the Word as a child in the womb.

Women are not created by God to provide the Seed, the Word.

Only men are.

Listen to Archbishop Sheen:

19:50

Would have to disagree....

2 John Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
1 The elderly elder [of the church addresses this letter] to the elect (chosen) lady (Cyria) and her children, whom I truly love—and not only I but also all who are [progressively] learning to recognize and know and understand the Truth—

Cyria was a woman pastor.

Galatians 3:28
There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
I'm suspecting troll here, but okay, I'll engage.

That wasn't even a complete thought. You spoke of Christ and the Church, not men and women. You still haven't said exactly what you think the role of actual women is in all this.

Even when I was a little kid and didn't understand this attitude, I didn't understand this attitude. Who are usually the most religious in a family/community? Who were Jesus' most faithful disciples? Yet these people should be excluded from the faith? Come on.

Jesus's twelve original disciples, the Apostles, were all men.

I did not speak all this, Archbishop Sheen did before his death in 1979.

The role of women in all this is to educate children in the Word as do teaching nuns, for instance, in Catholic schools.

I'm sure many a Christian woman have fostered the faith in their children over the centuries.

Do you think churchgoing is strictly for old ladies?
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Would have to disagree....

2 John Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
1 The elderly elder [of the church addresses this letter] to the elect (chosen) lady (Cyria) and her children, whom I truly love—and not only I but also all who are [progressively] learning to recognize and know and understand the Truth—

Cyria was a woman pastor.

Galatians 3:28
There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Genesis 1:27 King James Version (KJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The man gives the seed: the woman nourishes it in her womb.

This is the law of nature.

The Lord Jesus Christ provided the Seed, His Word.

The Church, His Wife, nourishes the Seed, the Word as a child in the womb.

Women are not created by God to provide the Seed, the Word.

Only men are.

Listen to Archbishop Sheen:

19:50


Don't know if you are serious here, but illI bite. Are you aware that there were prophetesses and deaconesses in the Bible?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Genesis 1:27 King James Version (KJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Yes... but, as Christian, we are born again into new creatures where "in Christ" there is equality between men and women. The power of the name of Jesus is just as powerfully used by women as by men.

Also, I quoted where there were women in authority in John... and here are others:

OT -Judges 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, judged Israel at that time. -

She ruled, prophesied, judged and taught

"Another female minister esteemed by Paul was Phoebe. In Romans 16:1-2 Paul described Phoebe as both a diakonos and a prostatis. Kevin Giles writes:

The meaning of the last term has been much debated. In either its masculine or feminine form it means literally ‘one who stands before.’ This meaning is never lost whether it be translated leader, president, protector or patron . . . Its verbal form is proistanai (cf. Thess. 5:12; 1 Tim 5:17), a term used of male church leaders elsewhere in the New Testament.[11]

Prisca [Priscilla] is not the only woman associated with house church leadership. A surprising number of women are mentioned in this role. . . . In Acts we see Mark’s mother providing a home for the Christians to assemble (Acts 12:12) and at Philippi we hear of believers meeting in the home of Lydia (Acts 16:14-15, 40). Writing to the Colossians, Paul greets “Nympha and the church in her house” (Col. 4:15). Perhaps Chloe is also the host of a home-church (1 Cor. 1:11), as may have been some of the other women Paul greets in the last chapter of Romans.[19]"

So by virtue of what is written, you are mistaken
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes... but, as Christian, we are born again into new creatures where "in Christ" there is equality between men and women. The power of the name of Jesus is just as powerfully used by women as by men.

Also, I quoted where there were women in authority in John... and here are others:

OT -Judges 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, judged Israel at that time. -

She ruled, prophesied, judged and taught

"Another female minister esteemed by Paul was Phoebe. In Romans 16:1-2 Paul described Phoebe as both a diakonos and a prostatis. Kevin Giles writes:

The meaning of the last term has been much debated. In either its masculine or feminine form it means literally ‘one who stands before.’ This meaning is never lost whether it be translated leader, president, protector or patron . . . Its verbal form is proistanai (cf. Thess. 5:12; 1 Tim 5:17), a term used of male church leaders elsewhere in the New Testament.[11]

Prisca [Priscilla] is not the only woman associated with house church leadership. A surprising number of women are mentioned in this role. . . . In Acts we see Mark’s mother providing a home for the Christians to assemble (Acts 12:12) and at Philippi we hear of believers meeting in the home of Lydia (Acts 16:14-15, 40). Writing to the Colossians, Paul greets “Nympha and the church in her house” (Col. 4:15). Perhaps Chloe is also the host of a home-church (1 Cor. 1:11), as may have been some of the other women Paul greets in the last chapter of Romans.[19]"

So by virtue of what is written, you are mistaken

You would think that this evidence would be enough to put this debate to rest, but old traditions die hard. I grew up in a Baptist church where women were not allowed to be in any pastoral or teaching position (except to teach children's Sunday school class). Always thought that a bit silly.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You would think that this evidence would be enough to put this debate to rest, but old traditions die hard. I grew up in a Baptist church where women were not allowed to be in any pastoral or teaching position (except to teach children's Sunday school class). Always thought that a bit silly.
That is so true, David!

I had some sacred cows myself that I had to put on the altar of the burning-of-religious-thinking. I guess we all have to go through it. :)
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
That is so true, David!

I had some sacred cows myself that I had to put on the altar of the burning-of-religious-thinking. I guess we all have to go through it. :)

We do, I agree. Mine consisted of a lot of "angry God" phobias from crazy revival preachers when I was a kid. Very traumatic. Others were traditions that no matter how creative I got, I couldn't make them line up with scripture. I still have a lot to learn. The trick is, not sticking my foot in my mouth too much along the way.;)
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Don't know if you are serious here, but illI bite. Are you aware that there were prophetesses and deaconesses in the Bible?

No, I am not aware of that. I don't believe they had any clergy function if they were. I don't think Jesus Christ calls for women in such functions in the New Testament. Evidently, the Roman Catholic Church (and some Protestant Churches) has its justifications for precluding women from the clergy. Women serve the Church in many lay roles. If I were to ever become a devout Christian again, I would not be a member of a denomination that allowed ordained women. I have forsaken the Methodist Church for permitting women "ministers".
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Yes... but, as Christian, we are born again into new creatures where "in Christ" there is equality between men and women. The power of the name of Jesus is just as powerfully used by women as by men.

Also, I quoted where there were women in authority in John... and here are others:

OT -Judges 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, judged Israel at that time. -

She ruled, prophesied, judged and taught

"Another female minister esteemed by Paul was Phoebe. In Romans 16:1-2 Paul described Phoebe as both a diakonos and a prostatis. Kevin Giles writes:

The meaning of the last term has been much debated. In either its masculine or feminine form it means literally ‘one who stands before.’ This meaning is never lost whether it be translated leader, president, protector or patron . . . Its verbal form is proistanai (cf. Thess. 5:12; 1 Tim 5:17), a term used of male church leaders elsewhere in the New Testament.[11]

Prisca [Priscilla] is not the only woman associated with house church leadership. A surprising number of women are mentioned in this role. . . . In Acts we see Mark’s mother providing a home for the Christians to assemble (Acts 12:12) and at Philippi we hear of believers meeting in the home of Lydia (Acts 16:14-15, 40). Writing to the Colossians, Paul greets “Nympha and the church in her house” (Col. 4:15). Perhaps Chloe is also the host of a home-church (1 Cor. 1:11), as may have been some of the other women Paul greets in the last chapter of Romans.[19]"

So by virtue of what is written, you are mistaken

Women don't have a strong enough and deep enough voice to preach from the pulpit.

Reading the bible is one thing but preaching is another.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No, I am not aware of that. I don't believe they had any clergy function if they were. I don't think Jesus Christ calls for women in such functions in the New Testament. Evidently, the Roman Catholic Church (and some Protestant Churches) has its justifications for precluding women from the clergy. Women serve the Church in many lay roles. If I were to ever become a devout Christian again, I would not be a member of a denomination that allowed ordained women. I have forsaken the Methodist Church for permitting women "ministers".

So basically, it's just your personal preference.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
That is so true, David!

I had some sacred cows myself that I had to put on the altar of the burning-of-religious-thinking. I guess we all have to go through it. :)

In the early 70's in the Church we attended, women could not be at the pulpit unless there was a male up there also to "cover her". I notice that in Mormon Churches there is a whole collection of "Key Holders" up there, perhaps for the same reason? I did not see that happen at the last church I attended.
 
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