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Evolution & Creationism are both Faith & Supernatural based

So if Big Bang & Evolution isn't Faith based. Then tell me where by proof w/o FAITH or Supernatural where energy first originated. Was it eternal. If so then that takes both Faith & Supernatural since it can't be proven by any scientific lab experiment.

Again we are discussing ORIGINS. WE have to start at the very beginnings of everything to get to our origins otherwise we can't get to us. Furthermore, with Big Bang where did the material come from that formed the planet's, stars etc. Was it already existent prior to BIG BANG? How did it get created? Faith &/or Supernatural? Science law as mentioned says something can't come from nothing. Since everything that exists has to have arisen from Big Bang. That would all heavens, etc. All the precision & order. Yet atheistic have to explain that w/o use of Faith & Supernatural & by purely Natural methods which isn't possible.

Then let's go further. You have to go from inanimate objects of planets etc to chemicals etc. So how do you go to that w/o using Faith & Supernatural since there isn't one science experiment that can prove you can create chemicals from inanimate objects. Much less that it could occur on its own by random.

Then you have the exact chemicals created in the exact formula to create life by Random w/o using Faith & Supernatural. They just miraculously get together & form life despite there has never been a science experiment, which BTW uses Intelligent Design of humans, using right chemical mixture already known & form life. Much less it has to happen by Random w/o any Intelligence guiding the science lab experiment.

Then besides that as we know. Each simple cell is anything but simple. It's made up of the most complex computer program directing it that even today man can't come close to matching , DNA, RNA. Plus every computer program known to man was written by Intelligent Designer.

So Again you have to believe by Faith & Supernatural that the DNA, RNA formed by Random trial & error despite no proof that's remotely possible.

Have you noticed that science processes like photosynthesis, & all the others science processes can give each step in order & describe each one in detail.

Yet evolution can't even give you the first step much less the ensuing steps much less in detail. Heck it can't tell you what the Finch or Beetle became. They never became a higher order species non Finch non Beetle.

Evolution is full of innuendo & just so stories & that's per quotes of key evolutionist.. I will give them on next reply with notes etc to validate.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Repeating mistakes does not make them correct. Biological evolution only deals with life on Earth was it existed. It does not matter how the universe got here. It does not matter how our galaxy got here. It does not matter how our Solar System got here. It does not matter how our planet formed. It does not even matter what the source of the first cell was.

You are conceding all of these arguments by moving the goal posts all the way back to the Big Bang, and even that is not faith based.
I do not believe this person is intentionally moving the goal posts with his or her description of evolution. I think that this person literally knows nothing about the topic of the argument they are making. It appears their definition of evolution is pieced together from pseudoscience, disjointed, often unrelated, bits and pieces of actual science, erroneous statements and nonsense.

I bet that pointing this out will not lead to them learning, but to their denial that they are, in fact, wrong. I bet we see expressions of an assumed expertise based on this twisted and useless evolution concept that is found no where in science.
 

Subduction Zone

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So if Big Bang & Evolution isn't Faith based. Then tell me where by proof w/o FAITH or Supernatural where energy first originated. Was it eternal. If so then that takes both Faith & Supernatural since it can't be proven by any scientific lab experiment.

Again we are discussing ORIGINS. WE have to start at the very beginnings of everything to get to our origins otherwise we can't get to us. Furthermore, with Big Bang where did the material come from that formed the planet's, stars etc. Was it already existent prior to BIG BANG? How did it get created? Faith &/or Supernatural? Science law as mentioned says something can't come from nothing. Since everything that exists has to have arisen from Big Bang. That would all heavens, etc. All the precision & order. Yet atheistic have to explain that w/o use of Faith & Supernatural & by purely Natural methods which isn't possible.

Then let's go further. You have to go from inanimate objects of planets etc to chemicals etc. So how do you go to that w/o using Faith & Supernatural since there isn't one science experiment that can prove you can create chemicals from inanimate objects. Much less that it could occur on its own by random.

Then you have the exact chemicals created in the exact formula to create life by Random w/o using Faith & Supernatural. They just miraculously get together & form life despite there has never been a science experiment, which BTW uses Intelligent Design of humans, using right chemical mixture already known & form life. Much less it has to happen by Random w/o any Intelligence guiding the science lab experiment.

Then besides that as we know. Each simple cell is anything but simple. It's made up of the most complex computer program directing it that even today man can't come close to matching , DNA, RNA. Plus every computer program known to man was written by Intelligent Designer.

So Again you have to believe by Faith & Supernatural that the DNA, RNA formed by Random trial & error despite no proof that's remotely possible.

Have you noticed that science processes like photosynthesis, & all the others science processes can give each step in order & describe each one in detail.

Yet evolution can't even give you the first step much less the ensuing steps much less in detail. Heck it can't tell you what the Finch or Beetle became. They never became a higher order species non Finch non Beetle.

Evolution is full of innuendo & just so stories & that's per quotes of key evolutionist.. I will give them on next reply with notes etc to validate.
All you demonstrate with your posts is a total lack of knowledge of the sciences. Energy appears to be bookkeeping, but for those that want to treat it as an article absolute there is an answer. The energy of the universe has been measured, and as closely as they can measure the value it is zero. You see there is both positive and negative energy and they appear to balance. A universe from nothing does not violate conservation of energy.
 

Dan From Smithville

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So if Big Bang & Evolution isn't Faith based. Then tell me where by proof w/o FAITH or Supernatural where energy first originated. Was it eternal. If so then that takes both Faith & Supernatural since it can't be proven by any scientific lab experiment.

Again we are discussing ORIGINS. WE have to start at the very beginnings of everything to get to our origins otherwise we can't get to us. Furthermore, with Big Bang where did the material come from that formed the planet's, stars etc. Was it already existent prior to BIG BANG? How did it get created? Faith &/or Supernatural? Science law as mentioned says something can't come from nothing. Since everything that exists has to have arisen from Big Bang. That would all heavens, etc. All the precision & order. Yet atheistic have to explain that w/o use of Faith & Supernatural & by purely Natural methods which isn't possible.

Then let's go further. You have to go from inanimate objects of planets etc to chemicals etc. So how do you go to that w/o using Faith & Supernatural since there isn't one science experiment that can prove you can create chemicals from inanimate objects. Much less that it could occur on its own by random.

Then you have the exact chemicals created in the exact formula to create life by Random w/o using Faith & Supernatural. They just miraculously get together & form life despite there has never been a science experiment, which BTW uses Intelligent Design of humans, using right chemical mixture already known & form life. Much less it has to happen by Random w/o any Intelligence guiding the science lab experiment.

Then besides that as we know. Each simple cell is anything but simple. It's made up of the most complex computer program directing it that even today man can't come close to matching , DNA, RNA. Plus every computer program known to man was written by Intelligent Designer.

So Again you have to believe by Faith & Supernatural that the DNA, RNA formed by Random trial & error despite no proof that's remotely possible.

Have you noticed that science processes like photosynthesis, & all the others science processes can give each step in order & describe each one in detail.

Yet evolution can't even give you the first step much less the ensuing steps much less in detail. Heck it can't tell you what the Finch or Beetle became. They never became a higher order species non Finch non Beetle.

Evolution is full of innuendo & just so stories & that's per quotes of key evolutionist.. I will give them on next reply with notes etc to validate.
Biological evolution does not involve the Big Bang or cosmology. Biological evolution is not an hypothesis of the origin of life.

No faith is required to recognize, understand and accept the evidence and theories of science. Science uses evidence. Faith does not use evidence, nor does it require evidence.
 

Subduction Zone

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I do not believe this person is intentionally moving the goal posts with his or her description of evolution. I think that this person literally knows nothing about the topic of the argument they are making. It appears their definition of evolution is pieced together from pseudoscience, disjointed, often unrelated, bits and pieces of actual science, erroneous statements and nonsense.

I bet that pointing this out will not lead to them learning, but to their denial that they are, in fact, wrong. I bet we see expressions of an assumed expertise based on this twisted and useless evolution concept that is found no where in science.
I know, he appears to be a follower of Hovind. And as we know, Hovind is a strange mixture of idiot, liar, and conman.
 
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Dan From Smithville

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So if Big Bang & Evolution isn't Faith based. Then tell me where by proof w/o FAITH or Supernatural where energy first originated. Was it eternal. If so then that takes both Faith & Supernatural since it can't be proven by any scientific lab experiment.

Again we are discussing ORIGINS. WE have to start at the very beginnings of everything to get to our origins otherwise we can't get to us. Furthermore, with Big Bang where did the material come from that formed the planet's, stars etc. Was it already existent prior to BIG BANG? How did it get created? Faith &/or Supernatural? Science law as mentioned says something can't come from nothing. Since everything that exists has to have arisen from Big Bang. That would all heavens, etc. All the precision & order. Yet atheistic have to explain that w/o use of Faith & Supernatural & by purely Natural methods which isn't possible.

Then let's go further. You have to go from inanimate objects of planets etc to chemicals etc. So how do you go to that w/o using Faith & Supernatural since there isn't one science experiment that can prove you can create chemicals from inanimate objects. Much less that it could occur on its own by random.

Then you have the exact chemicals created in the exact formula to create life by Random w/o using Faith & Supernatural. They just miraculously get together & form life despite there has never been a science experiment, which BTW uses Intelligent Design of humans, using right chemical mixture already known & form life. Much less it has to happen by Random w/o any Intelligence guiding the science lab experiment.

Then besides that as we know. Each simple cell is anything but simple. It's made up of the most complex computer program directing it that even today man can't come close to matching , DNA, RNA. Plus every computer program known to man was written by Intelligent Designer.

So Again you have to believe by Faith & Supernatural that the DNA, RNA formed by Random trial & error despite no proof that's remotely possible.

Have you noticed that science processes like photosynthesis, & all the others science processes can give each step in order & describe each one in detail.

Yet evolution can't even give you the first step much less the ensuing steps much less in detail. Heck it can't tell you what the Finch or Beetle became. They never became a higher order species non Finch non Beetle.

Evolution is full of innuendo & just so stories & that's per quotes of key evolutionist.. I will give them on next reply with notes etc to validate.
Do you want to know a rough set of steps for evolution? 1. The existence of living things that reproduce. 2. Heritable elements (genes) transmitted by reproduction. 3. Mutations or other heritable variation in those genes. 4. Natural selection acting on those genes and the traits they express. 5. Increased fitness of those members of the population that have an advantage due to the selected variation. 6. Change in the population. This happens over time.

There you have it. A quick and dirty step by step of evolution.
 

Dan From Smithville

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I know, he appears to be a follower of Hovind. And as we know, Hovind is a strange mixture of idiocy, lying and conning.
No matter how often I see it, I still find it perplexing how people will argue about something without going to the source of the topic they are opposing and instead, use erroneous information that does not come from the original source at all. It would be like me arguing against communism, by quoting Marvel comic books. Though to their credit, they probably have more valid information on different subjects than Hovind does.
 

Dan From Smithville

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I am sorry if this seems too pointed, but I am old and frustrated. There are not many who will agree with me.

Religion is a part of Science and the two are inseparable. The sad part is that some vocal egotistical people who try to prove that either system does not exist just create a lot of inflammatory emotion with no tangible result. Sadly the uber religious are so busy with their rigid and Godless doctrines that they exclude anyone who is not in lock step with them. Many of them try to define God and to limit him by their inane and condemning pronouncements that he is three in one or three only, and are so busy with their sordid arguments that they exclude the real following of God, "having a form of Godliness but who deny the power there in".

On the other hand, often Scientists with faith are ridiculed and discredited by those who see that as weakness.
What do you mean when you say religion is a part of science?
 

Dan From Smithville

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No I have not. See evolution uses the Big Bang as part of the start to begin teaching ORIGINS. So I'm starting where they do. You can't just ignore that & pick & choose where else you want to start. Esp true for pure atheistic evolutionist that claim pure naturalistist origins & in no way will allow for Faith nor Supernatural. I'm showing that that is false. Origins starts by Faith & Supernatural with atheistic evolution by how they teach origins starting with Big Bang.


I'll even go you one further. So let's assume the Big Bang was the start. Now Creationist & Theistic can use Faith & Supernatural to explain God used His guiding hand to set the heavens in the precision we see in the heavens that are so fine tuned that if one of so many measurements of any kind were off any life couldn't exist on this planet.

Yet for atheist evolutionist They don't have the option of Faith or Supernatural as Atheist. So they are in a bind. They have to "BELIEVE" W/O "FAITH or " SUPERNATURAL" & any scientific experiment that proves any explosion of Energy creates precision & order!! See my Dad was in WWII & on a Navy warship on the way to Japan to be ready for the first wave of attack like Normady when the atomic bomb was dropped. Yet did that explosion of atomic energy, or any hurricane, tornado, etc we've ever seen leave behind & create precision & order?
The problem is real science has experimental proofs to validate theories or hypothesis. Not one has ever validated that one. So atheistic evolutionist MUST USE FAITH & SUPERNATURAL AGAINST THEIR WILL to have to BIG BANG create the heavens in such precise order so that life could exist on earth.

We haven't gotten to the other parts evolution has to use Faith & Supernatural for evolution because for it to occur it actually violates the very laws of science & nature that evolution itself had to create since it is credited with creating everything. Right now my phone is running out of energy. I need to recharge it. Due to my being on disability I can hardly sit at my computer to do this as it puts my back & me in excruciating pain. I will return asap.
Be patient. Thanks.
Knowledge of cosmological origins or the origin of life is not required to understand the fact of evolution or to accept the theory that explains the facts. The origin of life is unknown, though not necessarily unknowable. The current theory was originally formulated over 150 years ago without any knowledge or evidence of the origin of life. In fact, the concept of evolution is older even than the current theory and all without knowing how the universe formed or how life originated.
 
Dvalidate.Dr. Richard Lewontin a renowned evolution geneticist said,

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material existence of this phenomenol world, but on the contrary, that we are forced by our prior adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter initiative, no matter how mystifying to the initiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine foot in the door."

So he admits it's not honest academic science but atheistic agenda driven first and foremost including just so stories or whatever it takes to accomplish that goal.

Now if you go to read the Physics Today June 2000 issue of article by Dr Mano Singham entitled, " Teaching and Propaganda". You will find he admits to so much about the brainwashing & propaganda techniques used in teaching evolution.

Here are a few quotes from the article

" ..t..that our teaching methods are primarily those of propaganda. We appeal without demonstration to evidence that supports our position...

and omit or gloss over any evidence to the contrary"

..." again by appealing to undemonstrated counter evidence....
So that if students reject what we say, they are declaring themselves to be unreasonable and illogical, unworthy of being considered as modern thinking people....

But it is brainwashing nonetheless....

All the reason, logic, and evidence that I use simply disquise the fact that the students are not yet in a position to sift and weigh the evidence and arrive at their own conclusion."

So at the end he's saying he's teaching students WHAT to THINK not HOW to THINK because students are too dumb to handle all the scientific info. So they filter it & present just one side with brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

When I found this article I felt incredibly insulted. As a University grad & with 2 Masters & all my degrees have academic honors. I'm still not smart enough to be told all the science information & analyze it & make my own decision. I'm only qualified to Think as They teach me to Think!

Really!

If that doesn't insult you then so be it. But there is so much science info you've been hidden from by just so stories & w/o actual demonstration & by brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

Be more open & realize the scam put on so many for so long.

Plus it is Faith & Supernatural based & it takes an ID Intelligent Designer.

Think about this. If you walked up on a cell phone on a beach. You don't think. Look what evolved by Random chance by trial & error over eons of time. If you did that would take incredible Faith & Supernatural. You'd instantly recognize Intelligent Design.

I hope I've at least made you think openly & honestly. I have many more quotes from evolutionist that expose the fraud it really is in addition to this. Get out of the box those 2 evolutionist put you in by their own admission.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Dvalidate.Dr. Richard Lewontin a renowned evolution geneticist said,

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material existence of this phenomenol world, but on the contrary, that we are forced by our prior adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter initiative, no matter how mystifying to the initiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine foot in the door."

So he admits it's not honest academic science but atheistic agenda driven first and foremost including just so stories or whatever it takes to accomplish that goal.

Now if you go to read the Physics Today June 2000 issue of article by Dr Mano Singham entitled, " Teaching and Propaganda". You will find he admits to so much about the brainwashing & propaganda techniques used in teaching evolution.

Here are a few quotes from the article

" ..t..that our teaching methods are primarily those of propaganda. We appeal without demonstration to evidence that supports our position...

and omit or gloss over any evidence to the contrary"

..." again by appealing to undemonstrated counter evidence....
So that if students reject what we say, they are declaring themselves to be unreasonable and illogical, unworthy of being considered as modern thinking people....

But it is brainwashing nonetheless....

All the reason, logic, and evidence that I use simply disquise the fact that the students are not yet in a position to sift and weigh the evidence and arrive at their own conclusion."

So at the end he's saying he's teaching students WHAT to THINK not HOW to THINK because students are too dumb to handle all the scientific info. So they filter it & present just one side with brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

When I found this article I felt incredibly insulted. As a University grad & with 2 Masters & all my degrees have academic honors. I'm still not smart enough to be told all the science information & analyze it & make my own decision. I'm only qualified to Think as They teach me to Think!

Really!

If that doesn't insult you then so be it. But there is so much science info you've been hidden from by just so stories & w/o actual demonstration & by brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

Be more open & realize the scam put on so many for so long.

Plus it is Faith & Supernatural based & it takes an ID Intelligent Designer.

Think about this. If you walked up on a cell phone on a beach. You don't think. Look what evolved by Random chance by trial & error over eons of time. If you did that would take incredible Faith & Supernatural. You'd instantly recognize Intelligent Design.

I hope I've at least made you think openly & honestly. I have many more quotes from evolutionist that expose the fraud it really is in addition to this. Get out of the box those 2 evolutionist put you in by their own admission.
You have all the popular quote mines. Excellent. Gotta catch em all.
 

Audie

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Amazing, isn't it? Those who deny evolution most vigorously are always, always, those who least understand what the fricken heck it actually says.

Somehow or other, sheer ignorance turns out to be a shield against being wrong!

This kind of weird n wacky is technically
known as "not even" wrong?

This kind of "fools rush in" has a rough equiv.
to some guy watching a kung fu movie, having
a few drinks and then thinking he can bust
up some Hells Angels in a biker bar

It is a bit undignified to even look up and
acknowledge his presence.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
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Dvalidate.Dr. Richard Lewontin a renowned evolution geneticist said,

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material existence of this phenomenol world, but on the contrary, that we are forced by our prior adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter initiative, no matter how mystifying to the initiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine foot in the door."

So he admits it's not honest academic science but atheistic agenda driven first and foremost including just so stories or whatever it takes to accomplish that goal.

Now if you go to read the Physics Today June 2000 issue of article by Dr Mano Singham entitled, " Teaching and Propaganda". You will find he admits to so much about the brainwashing & propaganda techniques used in teaching evolution.

Here are a few quotes from the article

" ..t..that our teaching methods are primarily those of propaganda. We appeal without demonstration to evidence that supports our position...

and omit or gloss over any evidence to the contrary"

..." again by appealing to undemonstrated counter evidence....
So that if students reject what we say, they are declaring themselves to be unreasonable and illogical, unworthy of being considered as modern thinking people....

But it is brainwashing nonetheless....

All the reason, logic, and evidence that I use simply disquise the fact that the students are not yet in a position to sift and weigh the evidence and arrive at their own conclusion."

So at the end he's saying he's teaching students WHAT to THINK not HOW to THINK because students are too dumb to handle all the scientific info. So they filter it & present just one side with brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

When I found this article I felt incredibly insulted. As a University grad & with 2 Masters & all my degrees have academic honors. I'm still not smart enough to be told all the science information & analyze it & make my own decision. I'm only qualified to Think as They teach me to Think!

Really!

If that doesn't insult you then so be it. But there is so much science info you've been hidden from by just so stories & w/o actual demonstration & by brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

Be more open & realize the scam put on so many for so long.

Plus it is Faith & Supernatural based & it takes an ID Intelligent Designer.

Think about this. If you walked up on a cell phone on a beach. You don't think. Look what evolved by Random chance by trial & error over eons of time. If you did that would take incredible Faith & Supernatural. You'd instantly recognize Intelligent Design.

I hope I've at least made you think openly & honestly. I have many more quotes from evolutionist that expose the fraud it really is in addition to this. Get out of the box those 2 evolutionist put you in by their own admission.
Do you have this one? It is a classic.

Republican congressman and member of the US House of Representatives science committee Paul Broun dismisses evolution, the big bang theory and embryology as 'lies straight from the pit hell".
 

LuisDantas

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Evolution & Creationism are both Faith & Supernatural based

Nope. Creationism is based on supernaturalism, though. I would not call that other foundation as much as fear of not having ready-made answers.

Evolution is another nature of beast entirely.

To illustrate this. Answer this question Evolutionist, Darwin or Theistic, Do you believe in eternal existence?
We know Creationist do already due to belief in eternal God, Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

Sorry, I am not doing this. Not worth of my time.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
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Dvalidate.Dr. Richard Lewontin a renowned evolution geneticist said,

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material existence of this phenomenol world, but on the contrary, that we are forced by our prior adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter initiative, no matter how mystifying to the initiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine foot in the door."

So he admits it's not honest academic science but atheistic agenda driven first and foremost including just so stories or whatever it takes to accomplish that goal.

Now if you go to read the Physics Today June 2000 issue of article by Dr Mano Singham entitled, " Teaching and Propaganda". You will find he admits to so much about the brainwashing & propaganda techniques used in teaching evolution.

Here are a few quotes from the article

" ..t..that our teaching methods are primarily those of propaganda. We appeal without demonstration to evidence that supports our position...

and omit or gloss over any evidence to the contrary"

..." again by appealing to undemonstrated counter evidence....
So that if students reject what we say, they are declaring themselves to be unreasonable and illogical, unworthy of being considered as modern thinking people....

But it is brainwashing nonetheless....

All the reason, logic, and evidence that I use simply disquise the fact that the students are not yet in a position to sift and weigh the evidence and arrive at their own conclusion."

So at the end he's saying he's teaching students WHAT to THINK not HOW to THINK because students are too dumb to handle all the scientific info. So they filter it & present just one side with brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

When I found this article I felt incredibly insulted. As a University grad & with 2 Masters & all my degrees have academic honors. I'm still not smart enough to be told all the science information & analyze it & make my own decision. I'm only qualified to Think as They teach me to Think!

Really!

If that doesn't insult you then so be it. But there is so much science info you've been hidden from by just so stories & w/o actual demonstration & by brainwashing & propaganda techniques.

Be more open & realize the scam put on so many for so long.

Plus it is Faith & Supernatural based & it takes an ID Intelligent Designer.

Think about this. If you walked up on a cell phone on a beach. You don't think. Look what evolved by Random chance by trial & error over eons of time. If you did that would take incredible Faith & Supernatural. You'd instantly recognize Intelligent Design.

I hope I've at least made you think openly & honestly. I have many more quotes from evolutionist that expose the fraud it really is in addition to this. Get out of the box those 2 evolutionist put you in by their own admission.
I would think that texting while surfing is distracted surfing.

Your argument is known as the watchmaker argument and was long ago debunked. Sorry. The fact that humans design things is not evidence that the natural world was designed.
 

Dan From Smithville

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This kind of weird n wacky is technically
known as "not even" wrong?

This kind of "fools rush in" has a rough equiv.
to some guy watching a kung fu movie, having
a few drinks and then thinking he can bust
up some Hells Angels in a biker bar

It is a bit undignified to even look up and
acknowledge his presence.
It is a slow news day. Besides I could not help myself, my head is still reeling. Those bikers were tougher than I thought. And I even used that crane thingy move too.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Nope. Creationism is based on supernaturalism, though. I would not call that other foundation as much as fear of not having ready-made answers.

Evolution is another nature of beast entirely.



Sorry, I am not doing this. Not worth of my time.
You are a smarter person than I am. I could not resist.
 

Milton Platt

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To illustrate this. Answer this question Evolutionist, Darwin or Theistic, Do you believe in eternal existence?
We know Creationist do already due to belief in eternal God, Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

Eternal existence of what?

Do you mean has the matter and energy that compose the current iteration of the universe always existed?

Possibly. Nobody has the answer.

I do believe science has some good evidence to explain things up to the Planck time just after the big bang. What does that have to do with the supernatural?

Or do you mean do living things exist eternally? Obviously they are born and they die. And they are observed to evolve. What does that have to do with the supernatural?
 
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Since you can't handle what I've already given you then let's try this. Let's analyze Natural Selection. Let's use the Finch.

Evolution teaches the Finch made small changes & it made changes in beak size. Yet it still was a Finch Correct? Then they use innuendo saying it somehow later in time became a higher order completely different species. Yet they can't give you any of the steps, the order, give the specifics of each step nor what it ultimately became. But it is used as a key example for evolution despite what I just said correct? Sounds like just so story with no demonstration or proof. . Then we will procede. Ok?
 
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