Faith Schools

[shmogie]

Rubbish.
Jesus wanted the return of all the laws but not the sacrificial and ceremonial ones, which left 507 still on the table.

But that was 2000 years ago and folks who cling to anti-gay laws etc today whilst ignoring laws requiring all flat roofs to have parapets or balustrades, or the poor laws, such folks are clearly cherry-picking, and leaving the important ones out!

No Christians that I know really follow what Jesus wanted 2000 years ago....... for most of them, their Messiah is Paul, and their apostle is John...... what a disgraceful pair, imo.

Another voice of total ignorance. You haven a clue as to what Jesus wanted. You have never once read where he stated ¨ I give you a new law¨, or that the law was fulfilled.

As we say in America, you don´t know jack. It is disgraceful to speak as if you know something and you are desperately lacking in knowledge regarding what you speak.

Do you know who the three stooges were ? They had that trait as well.

 

[oldbadger]

Undeniable. Growing up in a Baptist church, I can tell you that much more emphasis was put on the words of Paul (who by the way had no intention of his letters ever being interpreted as scripture) than on the sayings of Jesus.

Lovely post.

And that is the first time that I have ever read that Paul never expected his letters to become scripture, doctrine, etc.

I don't like Paul, that proposal does need thinking about.

Thankyou.

 

[oldbadger]

Another voice of total ignorance. You haven a clue as to what Jesus wanted.

Yes I have.

You have never once read where he stated ¨ I give you a new law¨, or that the law was fulfilled.

Don't put words in my mouth.
I have read that he wanted the return of all the laws, but not sacrifice/ceremonial. The priesthood had ignored hundreds for yonks, but like Christians they were making a big deal of chosen ones.

As we say in America, you don´t know jack. It is disgraceful to speak as if you know something and you are desperately lacking in knowledge regarding what you speak.

I've studied the Jesus history for some time.
I don't need to insult you back, can simply show you more.

Do you know who the three stooges were ? They had that trait as well.

I don't do quizzes with insulting posters.
If you have a point to make, then make it, or else just hold your peace, what peace you have.

And if you are against folks declaring and being their individual sexuality then you are among the ranks of the lost hearts, is my opinion.

 

[David1967]

Lovely post.

And that is the first time that I have ever read that Paul never expected his letters to become scripture, doctrine, etc.

I don't like Paul, that proposal does need thinking about.

Thankyou.

Well, think about it. Paul was writing (basically) letters of advice to early churches spread out in different locations and cultures. Which is how I consider them. Have you ever noticed (speaking for the USA here) that most of the differences and disagreements between denominations are not from the teachings of Jesus but from the writings of Paul interpreted in so many ways? For one, we would never have had a Pentecostal speaking in tongues movement from Jesus teachings. I mean, could you imagine Jesus and the disciples flopping around on the floor like in some of the Paul-inspired church services? I seriously doubt it. But hey, keep those donations coming.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, think about it. Paul was writing (basically) letters of advice to early churches spread out in different locations and cultures. Which is how I consider them. Have you ever noticed (speaking for the USA here) that most of the differences and disagreements between denominations are not from the teachings of Jesus but from the writings of Paul interpreted in so many ways? For one, we would never have had a Pentecostal speaking in tongues movement from Jesus teachings. I mean, could you imagine Jesus and the disciples flopping around on the floor like in some of the Paul-inspired church services? I seriously doubt it. But hey, keep those donations coming.

The long ending of Mark describes Jesus talking about speaking in tongues:

17 These signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands, and whatever poison they drink will not harm them; they will place their hands on the sick and they will be well.” 19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 They went out and proclaimed everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the word through the accompanying signs.

 

[David1967]

The long ending of Mark describes Jesus talking about speaking in tongues:

Do you think he had in mind what would become this modern tongues movement of the last 100 years or so? On the day of pentecost, everyone understood what was said no matter the language. Today, it's gibberish.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Do you think he had in mind what would become this modern tongues movement of the last 100 years or so? On the day of pentecost, everyone understood what was said no matter the language. Today, it's gibberish.

I think the Jesus of the Bible was a largely - if not completely - fictional character.

I certainly don't think that the authors of the New Testament envisioned any modern form of Christianity.

 

[David1967]

I think the Jesus of the Bible was a largely - if not completely - fictional character.

OK. I was approaching the subject from Jesus being an actual historic figure.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

OK. I was approaching the subject from Jesus being an actual historic figure.

Well, from that perspective, I'd say that any denomination with bricks-and-mortar churches - or individual Christians with wealth or political power - have run so far afoul of what he commanded his disciples to do that they could motivate him to another impromptu whipping frenzy.

Pretty much any Christian who isn't going from town to town with a begging bowl and the clothes on his back isn't following what Jesus laid out for his followers. Small differences in doctrines between denominations don't really matter compared to that issue, IMO.

 

[shmogie]

Because the kids that go to school there have anti-gay propaganda fed to them.
These kids then enter the working force and become full independent citizens and they carry around a baggae of anti-gay sentiments that they've received at that anti-social school.

I care, because I need to share a society with these people who are infused with hatred.



Yes, my moral compass tells me it is wrong to demonize or dehumanize people based on skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation,etc.

You don't?



The topic is faith schools and what does and doesn't happen in such schools.
Are you capable of staying on topic?



The topic is schools, not churches.

The topic is schools, not abortion.​

Lets go right to the topic, what do you actually know about parochial schools ? Where do you get your information ?

You really don´t know much, your words betray that.


My kids went to Church school, I was involved. Sex, by policy, was not touched upon by teachers. This, in totality, was an area left completely to the parents.

When in Bible study, it came up, the kids were referred to their parents.

I don´t know anything about what is taught in Catholic schools, but I know how most Protestant schools deal with the issue.

I taught my children on sex, not their school. I taught them right from the Bible. I taught them that God loves all people, but there are behaviors that are unacceptable to him. I taught them that behaviors are the only thing we see, but it is God who judges reasons, motives, and the heart.

I taught them that sex outside of Christian marriage is wrong, that adultery is wrong, that homosexuality is wrong.

I taught them that we all commit sins, and there is no sin worse than another in Gods eyes, repentance brings forgiveness and harmony with God. Further, that repenting is totally voluntary.

We have had homosexuals attend our church, and they were treated exactly as we would treat anyone else, with a welcome. My kids did the same. know homosexuals who now have wives and children, who reject that lifestyle.

So, don´t chip at the schools in feigned indignation, whine about the parents, me.

The new mantra is that people are born as homosexuals, however, there is no homosexual gene. Brain size has been considered, the mothers hormones have been postulated as a cause, plus there are other idea´s, with little evidence so far to support them.

So, like Einsteins wished for theory of everything, you bring me a scientific theory of everything related to the cause of homosexuality, with the actual strong biological evidence to demonstrate the theory, I will happily look at it.

Otherwise, it is what it is. Homosexuals are part of all humanity that God loves.

Since God is merciful, yet also just. his laws just can´t be blown off if one chooses to be a Christian.

Therefore, homosexuals are welcome to attend services, they cannot be voting members on the church rolls.

 

[shmogie]

Well, from that perspective, I'd say that any denomination with bricks-and-mortar churches - or individual Christians with wealth or political power - have run so far afoul of what he commanded his disciples to do that they could motivate him to another impromptu whipping frenzy.

Pretty much any Christian who isn't going from town to town with a begging bowl and the clothes on his back isn't following what Jesus laid out for his followers. Small differences in doctrines between denominations don't really matter compared to that issue, IMO.

Apparently you haven´t read Pauls writings on the appropriate life of the Christian. Please do so. You idea is incorrect.

 

[shmogie]

Yes I have.


Don't put words in my mouth.
I have read that he wanted the return of all the laws, but not sacrifice/ceremonial. The priesthood had ignored hundreds for yonks, but like Christians they were making a big deal of chosen ones.


I've studied the Jesus history for some time.
I don't need to insult you back, can simply show you more.


I don't do quizzes with insulting posters.
If you have a point to make, then make it, or else just hold your peace, what peace you have.

And if you are against folks declaring and being their individual sexuality then you are among the ranks of the lost hearts, is my opinion.

The point is simple, you have never read that Christ wanted all the laws of Judaism with exceptions, enforced in any way on Christians. He was a Jew, and He kept the Jewish laws perfectly. He only preached to the Jews to whom the law was given, it never applied to Gentiles. Before his death He said to take the Gospel to the Gentiles. The Gospel means good news, do you think it would be good news to be told you must keep a bunch of laws that nobody could keep perfectly ?

The Jewish law, all of it, no longer applies. Christ himself said there would be a new covenant between God and man.The laws of this covenant are found in the New Testament, they are called the law of Christ

This isn´t what you are grasping. With Christ, and the Jewish rejection of him as the Messiah, the old way died with Him.

With his resurrection, the new era of Christianity began, as He said it would. The new covenant was instituted.

This is the absolute foundation of Christianity, and has been for 2,000 years.

I can only speculate as to why you can´t discern this.

As to insults, you began by insulting me by talking trash about people I hold in the highest regard. You disrespected them, you disrespected me.

 

[shmogie]

Lovely post.

And that is the first time that I have ever read that Paul never expected his letters to become scripture, doctrine, etc.

I don't like Paul, that proposal does need thinking about.

Thankyou.

Paul was an Apostle, the written words of an Apostle regarding laws or Christian living are always considered as scripture.

You don´t like Paul, that doesn´t change the fact of who he was and his very important place in Christianity.

 

[shmogie]

Do you think he had in mind what would become this modern tongues movement of the last 100 years or so? On the day of pentecost, everyone understood what was said no matter the language. Today, it's gibberish.

Correct, a new language meant an established language new to you. the charismatic movement strays from scripture a lot, I think.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Apparently you haven´t read Pauls writings on the appropriate life of the Christian. Please do so. You idea is incorrect.

Bad assumption.

I skipped some of the drier sections of the Old Testament, but I've read all of the Pauline epistles.

And seems like you missed the point that was just raised about the differences between the preachings of Jesus vs. Paul.

However, like I mentioned, I think the Jesus of the Bible is largely - or completely - fictional, so at a certain point, arguing about what Jesus's opinions would be end up being as inane as arguing about what Darth Vader would think about something.

 

[David1967]

Correct, a new language meant an established language new to you. the charismatic movement strays from scripture a lot, I think.

Agree.

 

[shmogie]

Bad assumption.

I skipped some of the drier sections of the Old Testament, but I've read all of the Pauline epistles.

And seems like you missed the point that was just raised about the differences between the preachings of Jesus vs. Paul.

However, like I mentioned, I think the Jesus of the Bible is largely - or completely - fictional, so at a certain point, arguing about what Jesus's opinions would be end up being as inane as arguing about what Darth Vader would think about something.

Few historians doubt that Jesus existed. Paulś teachings are consistent with those of Christ.

Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles, certified as such by the other Apostles.

Christ specifically appointed the Apostles to speak for him and supplement his teachings.

 

[oldbadger]

The point is simple, you have never read that Christ wanted all the laws of Judaism with exceptions, enforced in any way on Christians.

Christ? I have not read about Christ, I have read about Yeshua BarYosef who carried on the Baptist's mission after John was arrested.

And Yes, I have read that he wanted the return of the laws but without the corrupt practices of the priesthood, sacrifice and ceremony both.

It's all there...... you just have to look for it. It seems that you have seen only that which you wanted to see?

He was a Jew, and He kept the Jewish laws perfectly.

No he didn't!
You need to review everything you think you know about Jesus.
Yeshua was determined to ignore many of the laws, as was the Baptist! He demonstrated this very clearly..... how could you have missed that?
You try to change history..... but you won't get away with it on RF, I think.

He only preached to the Jews to whom the law was given, it never applied to Gentiles. Before his death He said to take the Gospel to the Gentiles. The Gospel means good news, do you think it would be good news to be told you must keep a bunch of laws that nobody could keep perfectly ?

So Christians don't need to keep the 507 laws of the OT?
So why are we needing to discuss Christian Schools refusing LGBT teachers?
Cherry picking much?

The Jewish law, all of it, no longer applies.

Yes it does, where I live. Lots of laws here both civil and criminal mirror the OT laws.
Your ideas are all over the place.

This isn´t what you are grasping. With Christ, and the Jewish rejection of him as the Messiah, the old way died with Him.

With his resurrection, the new era of Christianity began, as He said it would. The new covenant was instituted.

Jesus (Yeshua) didn't institute anything new at all. He wanted the old laws kept to, apart from the sacrifice and ceremony that kept the priesthood fat, but that was 2000 years ago.

This is the absolute foundation of Christianity, and has been for 2,000 years.

I can only speculate as to why you can´t discern this.

All I can discern is a jumble of hypocritical doctrines clinging to cherry-picked ideas which have held back humanity far too long. That's the reason for this thread.
They have totally ignored important OT laws while focusing on extremist ideas which do not fit with the World today.

And most of our education authorities are now doing something about how children should be protected from brainwashing over so many bigotries and hatreds. Jesus would be ashamed of you all..... ashamed.

Where I live religious schools now need to offer places to other religions and cultures just for that reason and to support a multicultural society.

As to insults, you began by insulting me by talking trash about people I hold in the highest regard. You disrespected them, you disrespected me.

Ah....... so you think that you are 'those people'? You think that you are the personification of the Apostles John and Paul?

If so, that says it all, then.

 

[oldbadger]

Paul was an Apostle, the written words of an Apostle regarding laws or Christian living are always considered as scripture.

I know......... Jesus would be furious!
Your religion is all about what a bunch of non-witnesses decided upon.
John didn't even know how to place the bunch of anecdotes which he had accumulated, putting the last one (the Temple demonstration) first.
Hey! The First should be Last, but the Last was put First!
I like that.
And as for his stories about Jesus in contention with 'The Jews', one day that will be judged by the World as the cause of so many incitements and crimes. I'm only held back from my true thoughts about apostle John by RF moderation rules.

You don´t like Paul, that doesn´t change the fact of who he was and his very important place in Christianity.

I know! Paul IS Christianity, imo.

 

[lukethethird]

Few historians doubt that Jesus existed. Paulś teachings are consistent with those of Christ.

Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles, certified as such by the other Apostles.

Christ specifically appointed the Apostles to speak for him and supplement his teachings.

It could be that Paul's teachings were put into the mouth of Jesus by the unknown author of the Gospel of Mark. Paul could even be the itinerant preacher that influenced the author of Mark for all we know.