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Identifying the 144,000

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Only men who did not defile themselves with women, so virgin men. No deceit in their mouth AND without blemish.
For sure those men you don't find on earth, they must be angels from heaven I guess OR babies just born maybe.

Just to make this point clear.... The 'virginity' of the 144,000 is spiritual, not physical. Many of those chosen to be part of this group are not men and most have been married.

In heaven there is no gender because there is no need for reproduction (the only reason for the sexes) So all spirit creatures are A-sexual....and not identified with any nationality.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) All who are called to rule with Christ in heaven become spirit beings like God and his son are.

The fact that males dominate God's arrangement is because of the way he made us. Men were the spiritual "head" of their households and women had a complementary or supporting role in the family and also in worship. Angels almost always appeared as men. To have appeared as women in that society would have caused problems.

Headship was to be exercised with love and respect so it was therefore not a dictatorship. Jesus said that a man was to treat his wife as Jesus treated his disciples....with compassion and understanding and love.

As to the state of their being without deceit and without blemish.....deception is a willful form of lying. So these ones will tell an unpopular truth rather than perpetuate a religious lie just because people like it...... and being without blemish means that they never deliberately break God's laws no matter what the circumstances are.
They are spiritually clean and obedient to their God in all things.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The fire has been out for hundreds and hundreds of years, yet that which was burned is gone, totally destroyed, has ceased to exist.

What makes you think so?

In the Revelation, the "lake of fire" (the equivalent of Gehenna) is yet to consume the devil and his demons after the 1,000 years reign of Christ has concluded with one final test. The devil and his hordes have been imprisoned all that time and are "let loose" for a little while to test the ones who have never had their faith tested. (Revelation 20:1-3; Revelation 20:13-15) Death and the grave (hades) are also bound for this place from which nothing and no one can return. It is God's instrument for eternal destruction.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Bible
General

The number of the beast is 666, not six hundred and sixty six, but 6 three times; 6.6.6.

3 is the number for God, 6 is the number for man, who was created on the sixth day.

144,000 divide by 6 three times 144,000 divided by 6 = 24,000 divided by 6 = 4,000, divided by 6 = 666,
666666666666666666666, add infin, The eternal god-man who seats himself on the throne of God and proclaims himself to be God..
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Jubilee ? Really?

Jubilees makes an incestuous reference regarding the son of Adam and Eve, Cain, and his wife. In chapter iv (1–12) (Cain and Abel), it mentions that Cain took his sister Awan to be his wife and Enoch was their child.

It also mentions that Seth (the third son of Adam and Eve) married his sister Azura.[21]

According to this book, Hebrew is the language of Heaven, and was originally spoken by all creatures in the Garden, animals and man; however, the animals lost their power of speech when Adam and Eve were expelled.

Following the Deluge, the earth was apportioned into three divisions for the three sons of Noah, and his sixteen grandsons.

After the destruction of the Tower of Babel, their families were scattered to their respective allotments, and Hebrew was forgotten, until Abraham was taught it by the angels.

Book of Jubilees - Wikipedia

soda wrote...….. Jubilees makes an incestuous reference regarding the son of Adam and Eve, Cain, and his wife. In chapter iv (1–12) (Cain and Abel), it mentions that Cain took his sister Awan to be his wife and Enoch was their child.

It also mentions that Seth (the third son of Adam and Eve) married his sister Azura.[21]

The Anointed......… Fair dinkum grandma? When dats all dere is grandma, dats what you take.

Eve who was taken from the body of Adam as recorded in all the bibles, She was one with He to who she bore so many children, closer than brother and sister girly, so don't you worry too much about the book of Jubilees.

As to the rest of your post, it's great to see you quoting the scriptures as actual truth.

Nighty, night girl.
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
these are multitude, a gross, a large amount, a number that cannot be counted unless you can count the grains of sand on a beach, or the stars of heaven.


Rev 7:3-Rev 7:9 NIV “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, Rev 7:7-Rev 7:9 NIV from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000. After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.


these are multitude, a gross, a large amount that can't be numbered.


and here is what I AM is doing.............stand and deliver.



Ezek 9:3-Ezek 9:4 NIV Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.

Fool wrote...…. Rev 7:3-Rev 7:9 NIV “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, Rev 7:7-Rev 7:9 NIV from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

The Anointed...…. And none from the 13th tribe of Dan! Well what do you reckon bout that?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
soda wrote...….. Jubilees makes an incestuous reference regarding the son of Adam and Eve, Cain, and his wife. In chapter iv (1–12) (Cain and Abel), it mentions that Cain took his sister Awan to be his wife and Enoch was their child.

It also mentions that Seth (the third son of Adam and Eve) married his sister Azura.[21]

The Anointed......… Fair dinkum grandma? When dats all dere is grandma, dats what you take.

As to the rest of your post, it's great to see you quoting the scriptures as actual truth.

Nighty, night girl.

Look at the dates for the Book of Jubilee.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Look at the dates for the Book of Jubilee.

Done that girly, as with the Septuagint and after much study have come to the truth.

If I were to believe the Jewish Bible and the Roman bible, I would have to believe that Noah died, 58 years after the birth of Abraham.

BTW, do you yet know how long the Jews believed that the Israelite Shepherds were in Egypt?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Done that girly, as with the Septuagint and after much study have come to the truth.

If I were to believe the Jewish Bible and the Roman bible, I would have to believe that Noah died, 58 years after the birth of Abraham.

BTW, do you yet know how long the Jews believed that the Israelite Shepherds were in Egypt?

They were Israelite shepherds. So you are off to a bad start.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Fool wrote...…. Rev 7:3-Rev 7:9 NIV “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, Rev 7:7-Rev 7:9 NIV from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

The Anointed...…. And none from the 13th tribe of Dan! Well what do you reckon bout that?

The tribe of Dan was purportedly the largest of the tribal confederation. Remember Samson?

 

Cooky

Veteran Member
33,000 denominations, and you people think you can interpret Revelation..? ROFL.

...What a joke. :)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The number of the beast is 666, not six hundred and sixty six, but 6 three times; 6.6.6.

3 is the number for God, 6 is the number for man, who was created on the sixth day.

144,000 divide by 6 three times 144,000 divided by 6 = 24,000 divided by 6 = 4,000, divided by 6 = 666,
666666666666666666666, add infin, The eternal god-man who seats himself on the throne of God and proclaims himself to be God..



Number of the Beast - Wikipedia


which agrees with most of elaine pagels writing on revelation being a gnostic interpretation of the current times



this would make sense for those who are transforming/transfiguring.


Revelation 1:3
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Revelation 22:10
Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
Rev 7:3-Rev 7:9 NIV...Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, Rev 7:7-Rev 7:9 NIV from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Do the tribes of Judah, Reuben,...Zebulun still exist? If not, where will the 144,000 come from?

Are they now the 144,000 virgins as Deeje believes?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Fool wrote...…. Rev 7:3-Rev 7:9 NIV “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, Rev 7:7-Rev 7:9 NIV from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

The Anointed...…. And none from the 13th tribe of Dan! Well what do you reckon bout that?
i reckon they were guilty of idolatry as are those who will never enter god's kingdom for their adultery.

idolatry creates a disparity between one begotten thing and another.

christians who worship jesus above the least of these are guilty of that.

what do you reckon bout that? everybody dance now. the fall of christian idolatry is imminent.


Genesis 49:17
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.


Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


but then



Revelation 12:15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.





 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Do the tribes of Judah, Reuben,...Zebulun still exist? If not, where will the 144,000 come from?

Are they now the 144,000 virgins as Deeje believes?
virgins born of the spirit and not of the flesh.


kind of like melchizedek.


Heb 7:1-Heb 7:3 NIV This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.


or like this:


John 1:12-John 1:13 NIV Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.




John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
 
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