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They Are Not Christians!

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Nobody, absolutely nobody, has been able to show that all those the reports about Labour members' actions or comments were true.
Thank you for your well wishes! Even pneumonia doesn't last forever.

You either didn't read the examples given in the article, or you don't have a clue what anti-Semitism is. None of those well documented accusations were criticisms of Israel.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Jeremy Corban goes way past criticizing Israel.
OK..... let's see......

Dog gone it, oldbadger, you are making me work when I should be taking medicine and sleeping this off, or at least just answering easier posts.
I suggested that you get better first.

This is just a limited response. Like I said, a full response would require a LOT of research. But this was on the first page of websites that came up when I googles "Jeremy Corbyn anti-Semitic."
...When you get better.
I'll look at those pages, following your same entry in to google.

"Mr. Corbyn has described the constitutionally genocidal Hamas as his “friends.”
STOP THERE!
Please show us evidence that Hamas has committed genocide.
Even if they have made aggressive statements this is no reason to cut communications with them.
You don't get to tell our politicians who they can make diplomatic moves towards.

He’s appeared on stage with inveterate anti-Semites.
Our Prime Minister has just been cuddling the President of France. You like the French? Of course she can and should, but if Mr Corbyn was cuddling the French his critics would scream murder. :)

He’s defended a mural that depicted hooknosed bankers running the world.
Did he? What exactly is the mural (picture?) and what exactly did he say?
Where I live we have freedlom to make pintures and murals as long as they do not incite criminal actions. Let's see the mural please, ...... when you get better.

He’s attended a wreath-laying ceremony that celebrated the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics massacre....
That is not why he went to the ceremony.
Mr Corbyn does not and has never supported any mass murders.

What Mr. Corbyn said, however, was different [than other speakers at a conference]. While bemoaning the activities of a group of [English] Zionists, he identified two problems. “One is that they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either,” he said. “I think they need two lessons, which we can help them with.”....
Ahhh.......!
You've got that upside down.
Here in the UK we are now insisting that ALL children shall receive the same basic LESSON PLANS and CURRICULUM regardless of race, class, nationality, religion, gender, culture or anything else.
Sadly, many races and religions have been in receipt of Government education grants etc but have been ignoring the National Curriculum in favour of their own agendas.
Our Inspectors have been putting pressure upon schools such as Madrassas and certain Jewish schools to keep to the rules and laws. I recently read that some Jewish schools had attempted to get under the radar on this one.

Folks who live in the UK need to keep to the UK's rules and laws.

This was classic anti-Semitism.
No it was not...... it was a classic false-flag. And it might still work......

Here were a group of Jews with whom Mr. Corbyn has a political disagreement. And he smeared them not on the basis of that disagreement but on the basis of their ethnicity. He accused them of failing to assimilate English values, of not fitting in, of still being a bit foreign. Had they been Christian Zionists, he could not have insulted them in this way."
That's what our education specialists are saying about several cultures, that they are not educating children to the same standard UK curriculum, etc.
Mr Corbyn was probably pointing at this.
In fact, we have even tightened all this up further because the UK is fed up with groups who insist on ignoring our schooling and teaching plans.

Whereas in the past children could be educated outside of recognised British schools and at home, from now ion ALL children receiving home or private education must be registered with the authorities. This is not anti any particular race or religion, but simply anti-estrangement.

That might look wrong to you but it looks dead right to our teaching profession here.

Now you get better, and when you feel well again you might like to try again.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Thankyou for your post, Muffled. Yes, I expect that the nature of Christianity is moving ......... The most popular churches around London (as far as I know) are also charismatic, but I have to say that (for example) a Pentecostal Church service is amazing experience for anybody to behold.

Which Denomination or Creed does your Church support?
It would be very helpful if you would post your Creed for members to see, because they do vary quite a bit, and that is probably the cause of pointed fingers and inter-Church backbiting such as I watched yesterday.

Southern Baptist in the north. Usually Baptists don't have a creed but there is a tendency in Southern Baptist churches to view things their own way.

I am tolerated despite the fact that I am an iconoclast because Baptists believe born again Christians are led by the Spirit and therefore answer to God rather than men.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Of course you believe. That is what a believer does.
They believe things.
A sailor sails, a baker bakes.
A believer believes.

A mormon believes Joseph Smith. A JW believer
believes things; 40,000 other Christian sects also
believe they have the one true bible readin'.

You believe you have "facts", and,
whatever else you believe.

So?

I believe you haven't done any reasoning; just presented some facts about beliefs. I believe you have not mentioned any facts about what I believe so your attempt to promote them as nonsense has no basis.
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
Ephesians 4:4-5..."One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

There can only be one truth.....one road to life, and I believe I have found it...and I can tell you why. I can also tell you why Jesus gave the parable of the 'wheat and the weeds'. (Matthew 13:24-30; 36-43) False Christians are growing in the world along with the real ones. It's up to us to locate them. If we can't tell the difference, then what was the point of the parable? o_O

Jesus gave us the criteria and he also did not suffer fools (in the religious sense) gladly. He exposed the hypocrisy of the Pharisees quite publicly on many occasions. (Matthew 23) Should we do less?

The majority of Jews were persuaded to hate Jesus enough to want him dead.....why should his disciples expect less? (John 15:18-21)

Universalism is not taught in scripture. (Matthew 7:13-14) There is no soppy, all-forgiving god. He is a myth created by those who don't think they need to answer for their actions. Like it or not, the God of the Bible requires an accounting, (Hebrews 4:13) and he doesn't care what label you're wearing.

Sadly, those who choose the wrong road don't actually live to regret it....:(


Whoa there cowboy, making a LOT of claims there. Lets start with number 1. Who said there can only be one road to life? It seems to me that there are many and yours is the 'fringe' one.

I mean the rest of your post is just preaching. I reject the bible, so your post is largely impactless.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I believe you haven't done any reasoning; just presented some facts about beliefs. I believe you have not mentioned any facts about what I believe so your attempt to promote them as nonsense has no basis.

Muffled said:
I believe the Christian faith makes perfect sense. I believe I would have to question your reasoning ability if you had the facts but chances are you don't have them.


You certainly do a lot of believing. Like I said, though,
it is what believers do. They believe things. :D
Even to making up things to believe, as you do above.

Far from not presenting any facts, I just gave back
the one fact that you presented.- the fact that
you believe the xian faith makes perfect sense.
But maybe that is not a fact?

As the xian faith means something different to just
about every person, who knows what are the
facts, if any, of what it means to you. Or what
you believe makes sense.

If you are really a Baptist of some sort, then you
are either faking it somewhere, or, you believe
in some pretty silly things. Like Noahs ark. :D

But who knows, if you keep your facts hidden.
 
Christianity has many interpretations, people of different doctrines often claim they are the only 'true Christians'. As Christianity has no more credibility than any other religion, in my opinion, the claims are meaningless.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Christianity has many interpretations, people of different doctrines often claim they are the only 'true Christians'. As Christianity has no more credibility than any other religion, in my opinion, the claims are meaningless.

It is almost like "god" did not have the ability to
"inspire" a book that is direct, unambiguous, and
without contradiction.

And make it factual here and there, not sucha
buncha fairy talks.
 
It is almost like "god" did not have the ability to
"inspire" a book that is direct, unambiguous, and
without contradiction.

And make it factual here and there, not sucha
buncha fairy talks.

As god isn't likely to exist, the Bible is the product of the human imagination.
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
I believe you haven't done any reasoning; just presented some facts about beliefs. I believe you have not mentioned any facts about what I believe so your attempt to promote them as nonsense has no basis.

Would you like to embelish us with some facts about what you believe? You're by no means entitled to, but it would give some discussion points without having to make assumptions.
 
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Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
That's just not true, atheists don't have any friends. They can't have friends because they know a friend could end up in Hell just by association, that is why atheists are lone wolves to this day.

I mean, if you don't believe in hell, it makes it pretty hard to worry about your friends going there. Thats the difference being theists such as yourself and atheists - by default, atheists have the higher moral ground because their beliefs aren't based on eternal torture for those who disagree.

Please note I said "by default," not "without exception". There are bad atheists, whose morality is every bit as strange and deluded as the idea that people go to hell for not submitting to the will of a sky wizard.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I reject the bible, so your post is largely impactless.

If it was "impactless" then why did you bother even responding?

Seriously......how long have you been here? You think you have anything new to add that countless other atheists haven't already said, ad nauseum, ad infinitum...?

What is it with atheists hanging around religious forums???? :shrug:
 

lukethethird

unknown member
I mean, if you don't believe in hell, it makes it pretty hard to worry about your friends going there. Thats the difference being theists such as yourself and atheists - by default, atheists have the higher moral ground because their beliefs aren't based on eternal torture for those who disagree.

Please note I said "by default," not "without exception". There are bad atheists, whose morality is every bit as strange and deluded as the idea that people go to hell for not submitting to the will of a sky wizard.
Claiming the moral high ground is part and parcel of the Christian domain, don't know why you would want to go there.
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
If it was "impactless" then why did you bother even responding?

Seriously......how long have you been here? You think you have anything new to add that countless other atheists haven't already said, ad nauseum, ad infinitum...?

What is it with atheists hanging around religious forums???? :shrug:

Oh, I suppose theists have all new arguments...? Sorry for invading your echo chamber. Religion is destructive, divisive and harmful. I'm gonna do everything I can to push against it. I realise posting on a forum won't do much; but if enough people point out how ludicrous it all is, perhaps we can start to break the dominion religion holds.

Maybe we could even start taxing the church. That'd be a start.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Oh, I suppose theists have all new arguments...? Sorry for invading your echo chamber. Religion is destructive, divisive and harmful. I'm gonna do everything I can to push against it. I realise posting on a forum won't do much; but if enough people point out how ludicrous it all is, perhaps we can start to break the dominion religion holds.

Maybe we could even start taxing the church. That'd be a start.

LOL...vigilantes....oh great. :rolleyes: You come in swinging without even getting to know the person you are speaking to. Not very civilized is it. Common among the godless though I've noticed. Personally I like to point out how ludicrous atheism is....but to each his own.

One day you may get a tap on the shoulder that you are not expecting....now you can expect it....OK? :D

I think perhaps you need to lighten up some. There is room in the world for all of us unless you want to live in a dictatorship. If you value your own freedom, then don't seek to rob others of theirs.....its a tad hypocritical don't you think? Who says a world full of atheists would be an improvement anyway?

Did it ever occur to you that God just might hate 'destructive, divisive and harmful' religion as much as you do? He has promised to eliminate it...does that surprise you?

BTW, the people in "the church" pay their taxes like everyone else. The people ARE the church. They support their own church so why the need to be taxed twice? :shrug:
 
If it was "impactless" then why did you bother even responding?

Seriously......how long have you been here? You think you have anything new to add that countless other atheists haven't already said, ad nauseum, ad infinitum...?

What is it with atheists hanging around religious forums???? :shrug:

Non believers have as much right to state their POV as religionists, especially those of us who were believers once, but came to the conclusion religion is a meaningless human construction,
 
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