MJFlores
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Christianity being seen as a sect of Judaism came to an end in the second century AD when the schism between these two religions was complete.
Followers of Judaism do not believe Jesus was the Jewish messiah. The Jewish apologists I've spoken to here are clear in their rejection of any attempts by Christians to use their scripture to support the claims of Jesus to be the Messiah.
Judaism is basically a religion of the nation of Israel.
In order to be a Jew, the person should be circumcised - removal of the foreskin, a very painful undertaking.
Mind you, I had mine at the hospital when I was a teenager where the doctor performed it with anesthesia and still it was painful how much more with a rabbi with no anesthesia?
Anyways, Judaism is more of an Israel religion, the old covenant.
When Christ came he said:
Matthew 16:18 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
So I tell you, you are Peter. And I will build my church on this rock. The power of death will not be able to defeat my church.
Christ Jesus established a church, not a nation of Israel.
The man Christ Jesus became the mediator of a new covenant between Man and God.
Its no longer Israel and God covenant but between Man and God.
So it is wrong to say that Christianity is a sect of Judaism.
In fact Judaism persecuted Christianity
Acts 8:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
And Saul approved of their killing him.
On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him. But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison.
The Jews (adherents of Judaism) would make much the same criticism of Christianity. Christianity stole the Hebrew Bible then reinterpreted it to suit themselves. I don't believe what the Jews say, because I believe Jesus was their Messiah. Then again, I don't believe what Christians say about Islam because Muhammad appears clearly as much a Prophet of God as Jesus and Moses were.
The Gospel is mentioned 12 times in the Quran and the Torah over 100 times. Jesus is seen as being born to the virgin Mary and revered as a great Prophet. Jesus brought the Gospel as Moses brought the Torah as Muhammad brought the Quran. Sounds like the real deal to me.
I don't find the word Quran in the OT or the NT Bible.
Next the Quran made a mistake about Mary
The Quran calls Mary "the daughter of Imran" and it mentions that people called her a "sister of Aaron". Her mother, mentioned in the Quran only as the wife of Imran, prayed for a child and eventually conceived.
Mary in Islam - Wikipedia
The sister of Aaron who is the brother of Moses is Miriam
Miriam is not Mary.
Mary's family tree is
Now if we insist that Mary is really the daughter of Imran instead of Joachim [Heli] the family tree would look like this:
The Quran made Moses the uncle of Jesus.
The mistake of the Quran is glaring and obvious.
I believe if the Arabs would like to steal from the Bible, at least they should have done justice.
Sometimes copiers do make mistakes in copying, can't blame them.
I don't claim or imagine myself to be any more or less enlightened than anyone else. That sounds how some Christians view themselves though. My criticism is aimed clearly at Christian fundamentalists who I consider have distorted the Message of Christ and rejected Muhammad and the Quran. Muhammad taught the disparate Nomadic tribesman of the Arabian people to be like the Jews and Christians and worship the One true God. In this He was successful. He United the Arab tribes and within a few hundred years later we had the Islamic Golden age which was far more advanced than Christianised Western Civilisation in the Middle ages.
Lets check the authors of the Old Testament
From Moses to Malachi - they are all Israelites Exodus 1:7
The New Testament Bible writers are also Israelites Acts 2:22
Jesus Christ is an Israelite John 1:47
The Bible was written by Israelites, God's chosen during those days.
Quran -by Arabs from Mohammed allegedly from angel Gabriel from Allah.
609 A.D.
In order to gain some credibility took some ideas from the Bible.
But not all plagiarism are perfect
How can somebody make an obvious mistake like this?
The Quran calls Mary "the daughter of Imran" and it mentions that people called her a "sister of Aaron". Her mother, mentioned in the Quran only as the wife of Imran, prayed for a child and eventually conceived.
Mary in Islam - Wikipedia