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Can Islamic and Christian Theological Concepts of God be reconciled?

Can Islamic and Christian Theological Concepts of God be reconciled?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 36 63.2%
  • Possibly

    Votes: 6 10.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 5 8.8%

  • Total voters
    57

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Jesus is revered in the Koran.. He is considered the purest of the prophets, a man born of a virgin from the mind of God.. a man without sin.

The Issue .. and you may want to think about this and YOUR concept of God.. is that Muslims believe God forgave Adam and Eve, there is no original sin and innocent blood (sacrifice) doesn't ameliorate sin.

Their beliefs make absolute sense to me even though I am a Christian.. Blood sacrifice is repulsive to me.. its a pagan throwback to Azazel the scapegoat. God does not eat, nor is he fed..
Then you cannot be a Christian unless you accept the atoning blood sacrifice of Christ. God doesn´t care whether find it repulsive, or not.

Right after the fall, God killed animals to cover our first parents, why ?

Just because they were naked ? He could just as easily whipped a suit and dress for them, but he didn´t. He spilled blood to cover them. Think about it.

One can´t pick and choose what you want to believe, you either believe all of it, or you pick and choose and die as a result. itś up to you. The core fundamental beliefs of Christianity must be accepted, or one is not a Christian.

I couldn´t care less about what muslims believe. They are on the way to perdition unless they repent of the goofy beliefs that mohammed came up with. He stole from the Jews and Christians to come up with his bastardized religion. Grevious error piled upon grevious error.

John said ¨ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.¨

Jesus has always been called the Word. mohammed got it dead wrong.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You can say they were both prophets of the Lord, but that just avoids the issues I brought up. Is Jesus the one through whom God fulfilled his plans or not? Was Jesus crucified, resurrected, and made Lord? Or was he just one in a long line of prophets?

Jesus as the Christ "Annointed One", said he was to return, it was Christ that said he would be called by a New Name and that the Spirit of Truth would guide us unto all Truth. It was Jesus as the Christ that said the flesh amounts to nothing and it is the Spirit that gives Life. It was Jesus that said on the Cross that what he was given to do was do was finished, the Christ can not be killed.

Christ is the First Messenger and Christ will be the last Mesenger, Christ is not the Flesh bodies as all the Messengers are 'Annointed' born of the Holy Spirit.

When we look for Christ in a Messenger, as Jesus the Christ ask us to do, then we see with new eyes and hear with new ears.

One can then see what Muhammad offered in the Quran about Christ. Muhammad was the First Woe of Revelation.

Regards Tony
 
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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Such issues are at the very heart of these religions - very real differences vs merely perceived differences. If you reject the salvific work of Christ, you no longer have Christianity.

As a Christian do you feel you have done away with or rejected any of the Old Testament, or do you just see a fulfillment?

One can accept both Christ and Muhammad and in doing so fulfill what they have asked us to be and do and in no way diminish what they came to do.

Thus all differences are merly perveived differences, it depends on ones frame of reference.

Regards Tony
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I think the biggest - and irreconcilable - differences between Islam and Christianity concern the identity of Christ. I'm a Christian myself, and I reject the Trinity. So that isn't really a hold up for me. The bigger issue is that Islam denies Jesus as the Son of God and as Lord - not to mention the crucifixion and resurrection.

This in turn leads us to the question of God's grand plan and will for humanity. In Christianity, God's plans for us culminate in Christ. In Islam, Mohammad is the last and greatest prophet - superseding Christ. You can't accept both of these things, so you can't really reconcile these two religions without seriously compromising one or both of them.
By far the elephant in the room between Islam and Christianity is the Trinity versus absolute unconditional monotheism of Islam.

The differences in the consideration of the nature and station of Jesus Christ and the nature of the Resurrection is open for discussion as the beliefs in Islam from the different divisions in Islam.

If one holds to the literal physical nature of the Resurrection, you are coming close to justifying the Trinity. Of course the exclusive claim of Christianity in different forms is the dominate barrier to reconciliation with any other religion or belief system.
 

iam1me

Active Member
As a Christian do you feel you have done away with or rejected any of the Old Testament, or do you just see a fulfillment?

Christ came to fulfill - not abolish - the Law and the Prophets. Indeed, under the New Covenant the Law is written on our hearts and minds. What is important is approaching the OT and Law to understand the Spirit thereof, not blindly following the letter thereof.

One can accept both Christ and Muhammad and in doing so fulfill what they have asked us to be and do and in no way diminish what they came to do.

You can't share the Gospel of Christ, as Christ instructed us to do, and follow Muhammad. Muhammad fundamentally rejects Christ's salvific work and his identity as the Son of God.

Thus all differences are merly perveived differences, it depends on ones frame of reference.

Regards Tony

There are those who try to honestly understand what each religion and philosophy says, and then there are those who refuse to see the very real distinctions between them because it doesn't fit their narrative. In the process of trying to be all-inclusive, they in fact reject everything.
 

iam1me

Active Member
By far the elephant in the room between Islam and Christianity is the Trinity versus absolute unconditional monotheism of Islam.

For Orthodox Christianity the Trinity is a major dividing point. But it took hundreds of years for the Trinity to develop, heavily conflicts with the scriptures, and is simply irrational. I was raised a trinitarian myself, but have long since moved on from it. Thus, for me and other non-trinitarian Christians, and for Trinitarians who don't view the Trinity as a required doctrine, Islams rejection of the Trinity specifically isn't an important issue.

The differences in the consideration of the nature and station of Jesus Christ and the nature of the Resurrection is open for discussion as the beliefs in Islam from the different divisions in Islam.

I'm not well studied in Islam. It's possible some sects maybe potentially more compatible than others. More traditional/fundamentalist Islam, however, appears to reject Christ as the Son of God and his salvific work. In so far as these are rejected by Islam, there is no reconciling the two religions.

If one holds to the literal physical nature of the Resurrection, you are coming close to justifying the Trinity. Of course the exclusive claim of Christianity in different forms is the dominate barrier to reconciliation with any other religion or belief system.

I don't see what the resurrection and the Trinity have to do with one another, but yes - Christianity maintains a literal physical resurrection. Christianity has no need or desire to be melded with other religions or belief systems.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Some Jews reject Jesus, others accept him. All the earliest Christians were Jews, and jews have continued to accept Jesus ever since - such as Messianic Jews today. Not sure what your point here is.



There are core teachings that define any given belief system. Some belief systems are inherently incompatible and cannot be reconciled - no matter how much you might want to do so.

This illustrates my point perfectly.

Being Jewish can refer to either ethnicity or being a follower of Judaism. I clearly meant being a follower of Judaism. You have taken my meaning as being something never intended.

The verse from the words of Jesus (John 3:12) speaks of the futility of communicating His Message with those who have no ears to hear or eyes to see.

There are many wonderful adherents of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Others within these traditions are unable or unwilling to move beyond fixed conceptions of reality inherited from a distant past. Consequently they insist on a message that has long outlived their usefulness.
 

iam1me

Active Member
This illustrates my point perfectly.

Being Jewish can refer to either ethnicity or being a follower of Judaism. I clearly meant being a follower of Judaism. You have taken my meaning as being something never intended.

I wasn't speaking about ethnicity either. Jesus was a Jew, the disciples were Jews, Paul was a Jew, etc. All of the earliest Christians were religious Jews - Christianity was started by religious Jews and remains a branch of Judaism. Indeed, the scriptures maintain that gentile Christians are part of Israel (and Judaism has, in fact, always accepted gentile believers).

The same cannot be said of Islam - it was not founded by Christians and does not build off of it. Islam attempts claim any major religious figures as its own - but simultaneously rejects their core teachings and rewrites them to fit their narrative. They accept Jesus in name only.

There are many wonderful adherents of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Others within these traditions are unable or unwilling to move beyond fixed conceptions of reality inherited from a distant past. Consequently they insist on a message that has long outlived their usefulness.

When you say such things I'm sure you like to imagine yourself to be enlightened, but all you are really doing is throwing mud around on all other religions. You think other religions should get rid of the very things that define them for the sake of a false unity. Try instead studying the various religions in their own right, understand what they actually teach and how they differ. There is absolutely no reason or merit to throwing away Christs teachings so that we can believe the same as others.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Then you cannot be a Christian unless you accept the atoning blood sacrifice of Christ. God doesn´t care whether find it repulsive, or not.

Right after the fall, God killed animals to cover our first parents, why ?

Just because they were naked ? He could just as easily whipped a suit and dress for them, but he didn´t. He spilled blood to cover them. Think about it.

One can´t pick and choose what you want to believe, you either believe all of it, or you pick and choose and die as a result. itś up to you. The core fundamental beliefs of Christianity must be accepted, or one is not a Christian.

I couldn´t care less about what muslims believe. They are on the way to perdition unless they repent of the goofy beliefs that mohammed came up with. He stole from the Jews and Christians to come up with his bastardized religion. Grevious error piled upon grevious error.

John said ¨ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.¨

Jesus has always been called the Word. mohammed got it dead wrong.

LOLOL.. Christians stole from the Jews and Jews stole from the Egyptian, Sumerian and North Coast Canaanites.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
By far the elephant in the room between Islam and Christianity is the Trinity versus absolute unconditional monotheism of Islam.

The differences in the consideration of the nature and station of Jesus Christ and the nature of the Resurrection is open for discussion as the beliefs in Islam from the different divisions in Islam.

If one holds to the literal physical nature of the Resurrection, you are coming close to justifying the Trinity. Of course the exclusive claim of Christianity in different forms is the dominate barrier to reconciliation with any other religion or belief system.
The Trinity, based on the concept of a monotheistic God ( There are more than one concept of The Trinity) may be problematic, but Arians, who do not accept The Trinity, totally accept the literal, physical resurrection of the Christ.

If that creates issues with other religions, I am sorry, but this has been a bedrock belief for 2,000 years.

It won´t change, and any Christian who rejects it, like the Gnostics, is a heretic.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The Trinity, based on the concept of a monotheistic God ( There are more than one concept of The Trinity) may be problematic, but Arians, who do not accept The Trinity, totally accept the literal, physical resurrection of the Christ.

If that creates issues with other religions, I am sorry, but this has been a bedrock belief for 2,000 years.

It won´t change, and any Christian who rejects it, like the Gnostics, is a heretic.
Roman bedrock for 2000 years does not justify the Trinity since the reference in the NT are additions, and it is Tritheism a form of Roman polytheism, and in direct contradiction to Judaism monotheism.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I wasn't speaking about ethnicity either. Jesus was a Jew, the disciples were Jews, Paul was a Jew, etc. All of the earliest Christians were religious Jews - Christianity was started by religious Jews and remains a branch of Judaism. Indeed, the scriptures maintain that gentile Christians are part of Israel (and Judaism has, in fact, always accepted gentile believers).

Christianity being seen as a sect of Judaism came to an end in the second century AD when the schism between these two religions was complete.

Followers of Judaism do not believe Jesus was the Jewish messiah. The Jewish apologists I've spoken to here are clear in their rejection of any attempts by Christians to use their scripture to support the claims of Jesus to be the Messiah.

The same cannot be said of Islam - it was not founded by Christians and does not build off of it. Islam attempts claim any major religious figures as its own - but simultaneously rejects their core teachings and rewrites them to fit their narrative. They accept Jesus in name only.

The Jews (adherents of Judaism) would make much the same criticism of Christianity. Christianity stole the Hebrew Bible then reinterpreted it to suit themselves. I don't believe what the Jews say, because I believe Jesus was their Messiah. Then again, I don't believe what Christians say about Islam because Muhammad appears clearly as much a Prophet of God as Jesus and Moses were.

The Gospel is mentioned 12 times in the Quran and the Torah over 100 times. Jesus is seen as being born to the virgin Mary and revered as a great Prophet. Jesus brought the Gospel as Moses brought the Torah as Muhammad brought the Quran. Sounds like the real deal to me.

When you say such things I'm sure you like to imagine yourself to be enlightened, but all you are really doing is throwing mud around on all other religions. You think other religions should get rid of the very things that define them for the sake of a false unity. Try instead studying the various religions in their own right, understand what they actually teach and how they differ. There is absolutely no reason or merit to throwing away Christs teachings so that we can believe the same as others.

I don't claim or imagine myself to be any more or less enlightened than anyone else. That sounds how some Christians view themselves though. My criticism is aimed clearly at Christian fundamentalists who I consider have distorted the Message of Christ and rejected Muhammad and the Quran. Muhammad taught the disparate Nomadic tribesman of the Arabian people to be like the Jews and Christians and worship the One true God. In this He was successful. He United the Arab tribes and within a few hundred years later we had the Islamic Golden age which was far more advanced than Christianised Western Civilisation in the Middle ages.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Christianity being seen as a sect of Judaism came to an end in the second century AD when the schism between these two religions was complete.

Followers of Judaism do not believe Jesus was the Jewish messiah. The Jewish apologists I've spoken to here are clear in their rejection of any attempts by Christians to use their scripture to support the claims of Jesus to be the Messiah.



The Jews (adherents of Judaism) would make much the same criticism of Christianity. Christianity stole the Hebrew Bible then reinterpreted it to suit themselves. I don't believe what the Jews say, because I believe Jesus was their Messiah. Then again, I don't believe what Christians say about Islam because Muhammad appears clearly as much a Prophet of God as Jesus and Moses were.

The Gospel is mentioned 12 times in the Quran and the Torah over 100 times. Jesus is seen as being born to the virgin Mary and revered as a great Prophet. Jesus brought the Gospel as Moses brought the Torah as Muhammad brought the Quran. Sounds like the real deal to me.



I don't claim or imagine myself to be any more or less enlightened than anyone else. That sounds how some Christians view themselves though. My criticism is aimed clearly at Christian fundamentalists who I consider have distorted the Message of Christ and rejected Muhammad and the Quran.

Muhammad taught the disparate Nomadic tribesman of the Arabian people to be like the Jews and Christians and worship the One true God. In this He was successful. He United the Arab tribes and within a few hundred years later we had the Islamic Golden age which was far more advanced than Christianised Western Civilisation in the Middle ages.

Really great post...….
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
How can Qumran and the Bible be reconciled?
They couldn't.

Jesus in Islam is different from the Jesus in the Bible.

In Islam, Jesus is believed to have been the precursor to Muhammad, attributing the name Ahmad to someone who would follow him. Islam rejects the divinity of Jesus and teaches that Jesus was not God incarnate, nor the Son of God, and—according to some interpretations of the Quran—the crucifixion, death and resurrection is not believed to have occurred, and rather that God saved him.[14] Despite the earliest Muslim traditions and exegesis quoting somewhat conflicting reports regarding a death and its length, the mainstream Muslim belief is that Jesus did not physically die, but was instead raised alive to heaven.
Jesus in Islam - Wikipedia

The words in red are things which runs contrary to the Bible.

How can Jesus be the precursor to Muhammad when Jesus is the First and the Last Revelation 2:8
Jesus is the Son of God, even the devils know who he is and tremble Matthew 8:29
Jesus was crucified, died and raised back to life. Luke 24:7
Jesus died, God raised him from the dead and now seated at the right hand of God Romans 8:34

Those are material irreconcilable differences.
 

iam1me

Active Member
Christianity being seen as a sect of Judaism came to an end in the second century AD when the schism between these two religions was complete.

Followers of Judaism do not believe Jesus was the Jewish messiah. The Jewish apologists I've spoken to here are clear in their rejection of any attempts by Christians to use their scripture to support the claims of Jesus to be the Messiah.

That is gibberish. Neither you nor anyone else gets to decide that Christianity ceased to be Jewish. Non-Christian Jews can reject Christian theology all they like - doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a Jewish sect.

The Jews (adherents of Judaism) would make much the same criticism of Christianity. Christianity stole the Hebrew Bible then reinterpreted it to suit themselves. I don't believe what the Jews say, because I believe Jesus was their Messiah. Then again, I don't believe what Christians say about Islam because Muhammad appears clearly as much a Prophet of God as Jesus and Moses were.

The Jews can't make the same argument, for it was religious Jews themselves who founded Christianity, and they founded it on top of everything that came before. They disagreed on interpretation, but they fully accepted the scriptures and history of the Jewish people.

If you were going to draw a parallel, you might argue that Judaism views Christianity like Christianity views Mormonism or some other sect with a prophet that is rejected by the mainstream believers. For all its faults, Mormonism accepts the core teachings of Christianity: that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, and in his salvific work on the cross.

The Gospel is mentioned 12 times in the Quran and the Torah over 100 times. Jesus is seen as being born to the virgin Mary and revered as a great Prophet. Jesus brought the Gospel as Moses brought the Torah as Muhammad brought the Quran. Sounds like the real deal to me.

Oh, wow, a whole 12 times. Ha!
And in those whole 12 times they manage to deny Christ's identity as the Son of God and the cross. No, definitely not Christian. :expressionless:

And your comparison of the Torah, Gospel, and Quran doesn't hold. First off, the Gospel isn't a set of Holy Scriptures - so you should say the NT rather than the Gospel. Of course Christ didn't give us the NT. Secondly, the Gospel message fully embraces and builds off of the Torah. The Quran fundamentally rejects the Gospel and the NT and attempts to rewrite things so that Jesus fits in with their narrative. This goes beyond interpretation differences into flat out rejection of Christianity.

I don't claim or imagine myself to be any more or less enlightened than anyone else. That sounds how some Christians view themselves though. My criticism is aimed clearly at Christian fundamentalists who I consider have distorted the Message of Christ and rejected Muhammad and the Quran. Muhammad taught the disparate Nomadic tribesman of the Arabian people to be like the Jews and Christians and worship the One true God. In this He was successful. He United the Arab tribes and within a few hundred years later we had the Islamic Golden age which was far more advanced than Christianised Western Civilisation in the Middle ages.

Your criticism is aimed at anyone who upholds the teachings and scriptures of Christianity or any other religion rather than throws them out because you'd like to blindly meld everything together. It can't be done, however. In attempting to rid religions and philosophies of the things that make them distinct and incompatible, you remove the very things that define them. Thus you no longer have Christianity, or Islam, or whatever else. You have some half-baked non-sense that is only rooted in your personal preferences.
 
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Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
That is gibberish. Neither you nor anyone else gets to decide that Christianity ceased to be Jewish. Non-Christian Jews can reject Christian theology all they like - doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a Jewish sect.

The Jews can't make the same argument, for it was religious Jews themselves who founded Christianity, and they founded it on top of everything that came before. They disagreed on interpretation, but they fully accepted the scriptures and history of the Jewish people.

If you were going to draw a parallel, you might argue that Judaism views Christianity like Christianity views Mormonism or some other sect with a prophet that is rejected by the mainstream believers. For all its faults, Mormonism accepts the core teachings of Christianity: that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, and in his salvific work on the cross.

Oh, wow, a whole 12 times. Ha!
And in those whole 12 times they manage to deny Christ's identity as the Son of God and the cross. No, definitely not Christian. :expressionless:

And your comparison of the Torah, Gospel, and Quran doesn't hold. First off, the Gospel isn't a set of Holy Scriptures - so you should say the NT rather than the Gospel. Of course Christ didn't give us the NT. Secondly, the Gospel message fully embraces and builds off of the Torah. The Quran fundamentally rejects the Gospel and the NT and attempts to rewrite things so that Jesus fits in with their narrative. This goes beyond interpretation differences into flat out rejection of Christianity.

Your criticism is aimed at anyone who upholds the teachings and scriptures of Christianity or any other religion rather than throws them out because you'd like to blindly meld everything together. It can't be done, however. In attempting to rid religions and philosophies of the things that make them distinct and incompatible, you remove the very things that define them. Thus you no longer have Christianity, or Islam, or whatever else. You have some half-baked non-sense that is only rooted in your personal preferences.

Of Christ crucified the apostle Paul taught:
unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness
1 Corinthians 1:23

When the Roman soldiers threw lots for Christ's garments Jesus prayed 'forgive them father, for they know not what they do'
Luke 23:34

Muhammad has established the heavenly Gospel revealed through Jesus as being authentic and authoritative:

And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein...
.".
Quran, Sura 5 46, 47

Then We caused Our messengers to follow in their footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow, and gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him."
Quran, sura 57 verse 27

So the truth of the Gospels is clearly affirmed.

The Gospel undoubtedly identifies Jesus as the 'Son of God'. However this is a spiritual designation and not to be confused with God having a physical son as you and I might have a son. Such a belief distorts the true intent of the Gospels and is based on the pagan beliefs of the Romans and Greeks where gods have children. In that sense Muhammad while affirming the Gospels, correct the misunderstanding of the Christians as they have erred towards pagan beliefs and misunderstood the true meaning of Jesus as 'Son of God'. For that reason Muhummad has stated:

It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.
Quran 19:35


In regards the crucifixion of Christ the gospels are even clearer. The two verses in the Quran that refer to the crucifixion should not be taken literally.

As many of the Jewish people are deprived of the Gospel of Christ through clinging to literal interpretations of verses within the Tanakh, so too are some Christians deprived of the blessings of recognising Muhammad.

Muhammad made clear that it is not enough to recognise Him, but to recognise all the prophets that have gone before.

We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them

Quran 2:136

Conversely, it is not sufficient to recognise only Moses and the Hebrew prophets yet deny Christ. Nor is it sufficient to stop at Jesus, denying the Prophets who have come after Him.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
How can Qumran and the Bible be reconciled?
They couldn't.

Jesus in Islam is different from the Jesus in the Bible.

In Islam, Jesus is believed to have been the precursor to Muhammad, attributing the name Ahmad to someone who would follow him. Islam rejects the divinity of Jesus and teaches that Jesus was not God incarnate, nor the Son of God, and—according to some interpretations of the Quran—the crucifixion, death and resurrection is not believed to have occurred, and rather that God saved him.[14] Despite the earliest Muslim traditions and exegesis quoting somewhat conflicting reports regarding a death and its length, the mainstream Muslim belief is that Jesus did not physically die, but was instead raised alive to heaven.
Jesus in Islam - Wikipedia

The words in red are things which runs contrary to the Bible.

How can Jesus be the precursor to Muhammad when Jesus is the First and the Last Revelation 2:8
Jesus is the Son of God, even the devils know who he is and tremble Matthew 8:29
Jesus was crucified, died and raised back to life. Luke 24:7
Jesus died, God raised him from the dead and now seated at the right hand of God Romans 8:34

Those are material irreconcilable differences.

In regards the contradictions between the Quran and Bible, both the Son of God and crucifixion have been addressed in post #456 about.

Jesus came before Muhammad as Moses came before Christ. Christ build on what had been taught in the Hebrew Bible so in that sense Moses could be seen as the precursor to Christ. Muhammad builds on what is taught in the Gospels so Christ is a precursor to Muhammad. Jesus is clear about future Messiah's or those who like Him brought a Revelation from God.

The resurrection is a theological rather than an historic event. The resurrection of Christ is an essential spiritual reality. The earliest biblical book written mentioning the resurrection it is St Paul first epistle to a Greek church 1 Corinthians 15:4-9.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
In regards the contradictions between the Quran and Bible, both the Son of God and crucifixion have been addressed in post #456 about.

Jesus came before Muhammad as Moses came before Christ. Christ build on what had been taught in the Hebrew Bible so in that sense Moses could be seen as the precursor to Christ. Muhammad builds on what is taught in the Gospels so Christ is a precursor to Muhammad. Jesus is clear about future Messiah's or those who like Him brought a Revelation from God.

The resurrection is a theological rather than an historic event. The resurrection of Christ is an essential spiritual reality. The earliest biblical book written mentioning the resurrection it is St Paul first epistle to a Greek church 1 Corinthians 15:4-9.

OK #456 will check.

Moses came before Christ, very true. Prophesied the coming of the Messiah.

Deuteronomy 18:18 New International Version (NIV)
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

That is my Lord Jesus.

Jesus came before Mohammad, very true. Prophesied the coming of the prophets.

Matthew 24:24 New International Version (NIV)
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

In my faith, everyone will be resurrected - the first resurrection to be enjoyed by those who will be saved while the second resurrection for those who might not make it to salvation. This will come at the Day of Judgement and that would be the last historic event.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Then you cannot be a Christian unless you accept the atoning blood sacrifice of Christ. God doesn´t care whether find it repulsive, or not.

Right after the fall, God killed animals to cover our first parents, why ?

Just because they were naked ? He could just as easily whipped a suit and dress for them, but he didn´t. He spilled blood to cover them. Think about it.

One can´t pick and choose what you want to believe, you either believe all of it, or you pick and choose and die as a result. itś up to you. The core fundamental beliefs of Christianity must be accepted, or one is not a Christian.

I couldn´t care less about what muslims believe. They are on the way to perdition unless they repent of the goofy beliefs that mohammed came up with. He stole from the Jews and Christians to come up with his bastardized religion. Grevious error piled upon grevious error.

John said ¨ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.¨

Jesus has always been called the Word. mohammed got it dead wrong.

He killed animals for their skins not for blood sacrifice or the atonement for sin.
 
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