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Could you please define what you mean by "radical regressive left"? You cite Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, what, specifically, has she done or said that you think is radical or regressive?
Sorry for questioning traditional values and social order, promoting social freedom, general prosperity and making you uncomfortable. We've always had to drag you conservatives, kicking and screaming, into the future.
I'm not sure I'm following you. Are you seriously saying today's "Left" is more left than yesterdays mainstream, or the day before's Right?
Kennedy, Johnson and Carter were mixed bags. They had socially progressive programs, but, once in office, were also hoodwinked by Right into adopting domestic and foreign policies that benefited the rich at great expense to the poor.
No -- you're thinking of the conservative Republicans. Liberals are the ones who support equal rights for women, racial, religious and sexual orientation minorities; for alternate lifestyles and political views. It's the Right who are challenged by diversity and closed to novelty. It's the right that supports hierarchy and inequality.
No. Again, you're projecting today's Republican political strategies on Democrats or liberals. It's the Right that's behind most of the gerrymandering and voter suppression legislation.
Boy, you're batting a thousand, here. That's today's right-wing Republicans you're describing. The left has always advocated egalitarianism and brotherhood.
Not quite. As long as nobody gets so rich s/he becomes harmful to the rest of society.
Dead wrong! What history are you reading?
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What history are you referring to? Seriously -- where are you getting this topsy-turvy view of history?
The slaves were freed by liberals; by progressives, by Leftists. Lincoln was a Republican progressive. The Dixiecrats were right wing Democrats.
Eisenhower -- Progressive liberal -- and Republican (see above).
Roosevelt created jobs and stopped the economic free fall. When he did relax controls a bit the depression began to rebound.
As I keep saying, "Democrat" didn't always mean liberal, nor Republican conservative. Brown v Board was a liberal, left of center challenge. MLK was a liberal, Wallace, a conservative, regardless of party affiliation at the time.
You keep using Republican and Democrat straw men to distort my position. To clarify, then, I claim it was progressives, liberals or left-of-centrists 'responsible for all these good things'. It Was the conservatives or Rightists who opposed them. Party affiliations varied with time.
What party are they in now, then?
Sorry for questioning traditional values and social order, promoting social freedom, general prosperity and making you uncomfortable. We've always had to drag you conservatives, kicking and screaming, into the future.
We all say the same thing?! Are you kidding? Haven't you noticed the disorganization, multiplicity of issues and neverending arguments on the Left? It's the Republicans who tend to march in lockstep and uncritically tow the party line. They're the party of the rich. They like Strong-Father leaders and simple, emotionally satisfying 'solutions'. They're being led by the nose.
I'm not sure I'm following you. Are you seriously saying today's "Left" is more left than yesterdays mainstream, or the day before's Right?
If so you're absolutely and demonstrably wrong. The Bernie Sanders wing, from a historical standpoint, is completely middle of the road. Everybody today has moved to the Right.
Kennedy, Johnson and Carter were mixed bags. They had socially progressive programs, but, once in office, were also hoodwinked by Right into adopting domestic and foreign policies that benefited the rich at great expense to the poor.
As for gutting Social Security, many Republicans and Libertarians would love to end it.
No -- you're thinking of the conservative Republicans. Liberals are the ones who support equal rights for women, racial, religious and sexual orientation minorities; for alternate lifestyles and political views. It's the Right who are challenged by diversity and closed to novelty. It's the right that supports hierarchy and inequality.
No. Again, you're projecting today's Republican political strategies on Democrats or liberals. It's the Right that's behind most of the gerrymandering and voter suppression legislation.
Boy, you're batting a thousand, here. That's today's right-wing Republicans you're describing. The left has always advocated egalitarianism and brotherhood.
Not quite. As long as nobody gets so rich s/he becomes harmful to the rest of society.
Few "rich" get rich by the sweat of their own brows. They get rich from the sweat of others, whom they are reluctant to share the gains with; and from the laws, regulations, courts, and infrastructure created by the 'big government' they so desperately want to drown in a bathtub.
Dead wrong! What history are you reading?
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What history are you referring to? Seriously -- where are you getting this topsy-turvy view of history?
The slaves were freed by liberals; by progressives, by Leftists. Lincoln was a Republican progressive. The Dixiecrats were right wing Democrats.
Don't be fooled by political labels. Their political positions can change.The labels Republican and Democrat don't correspond to any enduring platform.
Eisenhower -- Progressive liberal -- and Republican (see above).
Look at his platform from 1956. This was the "Right Wing" sixty years ago: Viral meme says 1956 Republican platform was pretty liberal Looks kinda radical liberal, don't it?
As I said. There is no longer a radical Left. Today's Left has moved far to the Right.
Roosevelt created jobs and stopped the economic free fall. When he did relax controls a bit the depression began to rebound.
Had Roosevelt done nothing we'd likely either have reproduced the wild West free market oligarchy that caused the depression, or gone the way of the European powers into Fascism -- which was narrowly averted here by a whistle-blower.
It was the Keynesian injection of money into the economy, either by government spending on jobs or, later, on war materiel that saved the people from the full effects of the depression, and, eventually, brought us out of it.
As I keep saying, "Democrat" didn't always mean liberal, nor Republican conservative. Brown v Board was a liberal, left of center challenge. MLK was a liberal, Wallace, a conservative, regardless of party affiliation at the time.
You keep using Republican and Democrat straw men to distort my position. To clarify, then, I claim it was progressives, liberals or left-of-centrists 'responsible for all these good things'. It Was the conservatives or Rightists who opposed them. Party affiliations varied with time.
I think you're quoting Dianaiad, not me.
"Conservative, per se, isn't always a bad thing. There's a lot to be said for the tried-and-true. But when "conservatives" become overly change-averse and wed to tradition they can be a drag on progress and delay needed changes. They have a history of doing just this. E.g: The 1921/23 Equal Rights Amendment.
"Conservative, per se, isn't always a bad thing. There's a lot to be said for the tried-and-true. But when "conservatives" become overly change-averse and wed to tradition they can be a drag on progress and delay needed changes. They have a history of doing just this. E.g: The 1921/23 Equal Rights Amendment.
That's not to say Liberals can't go off half cocked themselves. We do tend to be rather enthusiastic about change.
Roosevelt, famously, seemed to come out with new social programs practically daily. Some worked, some didn't, but, just as he didn't hesitate to try them, he didn't hesitate to change or scrap them, either.
What are some of these conservative programs we liberals are attempting to co-opt?
Am I missing something? I see right wing, Democratic Dixiecrats opposing civil rights at every turn, and left wing freedom riders and preachers promoting integration.