Why the theory of evolution is so important

[A Vestigial Mote]

Why do we never see these examples raised?

Because these are not evidence FOR creation. These are merely things people have a hard time accepting could have been the result of evolution. There is plenty of good evidence FOR evolution. That's the real point to be made here. There is no good evidence, however, for creationism. None. All you theists ever try to do is poke holes in other things that have been scientifically evidenced.

Even if the examples you raised were a complete mystery, and evolution had no good way to account for them, does this negate all of the other evidence that does clearly support evolution? Nope. It doesn't. Just because we don't currently understand how something could have come about or happened doesn't mean that everything else we have figured out is bogus.

 

[MJFlores]

Is the video and list you posted supposed to serve as evidence for creation? Or evidence against evolution? The video is incredibly simplistic... not nearly supposed to serve as evidence of anything. It is a high-level description of a possible route life took from relatively simplistic to complex. It isn't "evidence" of anything... just an animated description. I certainly don't accept what it presents as "canon." It is nearly worthless except as an introduction to the idea of evolution.

So, I took a look at your stuff... did you happen to read up on the subject of ERVs (endogenous retroviruses)? Here are links to videos on YouTube that break it down pretty well. These are two in a series. The first explaining what ERVs are and how they end up being expressed within animal DNA, and the second delves into the relationship that is evidenced between humans and the other primates due to the fact that we all share thousands upon thousands of segments of the same viral genetic code inserted into the same sites within our DNA. And the only way for us to share this high a percentage of insertion sites and viruses (due to the fairly random way in which viruses affect a site genetically) is through common ancestry. The videos:

Your two videos are complex.
I do have a simple question and it pop out while watching the first video.

When they say 5 million years - they are sure about that right?
It's not more or less but 5 M
And if so, was there someone 5 million years ago who certified the "Hi guys, I am here 5 million years from you."

"I'm making a note and sealing this with a kiss."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Must be a mental sickness of sorts.

It could be. But it would be against the rules for me to make such speculations about you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your two videos are complex.
I do have a simple question and it pop out while watching the first video.

When they say 5 million years - they are sure about that right?
It's not more or less but 5 M
And if so, was there someone 5 million years ago who certified the "Hi guys, I am here 5 million years from you."

"I'm making a note and sealing this with a kiss."

It is more or less, not exactly. Why would you think that things need to be exact?

 

[MJFlores]

It is more or less, not exactly. Why would you think that things need to be exact?

It is science am I correct?
The Bible is exact why can't science be exact?
5 Million years plus or minus 500,000 years - works for me.
But is there someone back then who could authenticate or certify this age?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Your two videos are complex.
I do have a simple question and it pop out while watching the first video.

When they say 5 million years - they are sure about that right?
It's not more or less but 5 M
And if so, was there someone 5 million years ago who certified the "Hi guys, I am here 5 million years from you."

"I'm making a note and sealing this with a kiss."

No, they are not 100% sure about it. A figure like "5 million years" being used is obviously an estimate. What they can use to get to that estimate, however, are observable FACTS - like how often these viral DNA supplantations occur in the reproductive cells of animals in order for them to be passed on like they see has happened in the lineage of the other apes to humans. If you can observe, for example, that it takes 5 generations for 3-4 viral supplantations to appear within the DNA of some portion of the populace, then you can extrapolate that to however many instances you see are common between humans and chimps (as an example). And what you can also do is use the difference in these ERVs between humans and chimps to get to a rough estimate of when chimps and humans diverged and the populations of what became humans branched away from what stayed (or evolved into) chimpanzees.

This is the type of evidence you are up against. This is the type of evidence you simply do not have for any claims you make that involve God, or suppose a "creation" event. These are observable items and data collected on real-world examples of things that CAN be observed and witnessed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is science am I correct?
The Bible is exact why can't science be exact?
5 Million years plus or minus 500,000 years - works for me.
But is there someone back then who could authenticate or certify this age?

There is always a margin of error in any measurement. And no, the Bible is very inexact. It is a book of myths, failed prophesy and poor morals.

and why make the error of assuming that someone had to be there?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Still on the evolution of the first animals:

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am not a believer on Evolution
An Evolution which no person has observed
An Evolution with really require Faith to believe
The faith that nothing made everything

If that is the case then God's 6 day creation makes a lot more sense
It is were somebody [God] made everything

Which person observed "God's 6 day creation?"

 

[MJFlores]

No, they are not 100% sure about it. A figure like "5 million years" being used is obviously an estimate.

It could be 500,000 years or 50,000 years or even 5,000 years?

There is always a margin of error in any measurement. And no, the Bible is very inexact. It is a book of myths, failed prophesy and poor morals.

and why make the error of assuming that someone had to be there?

Evolution estimates has a margin of error. [nothing created every living thing]
The bible is very inexact [someone created every living thing]
Both have errors?
myths, failed prophesy and poor morals [evolution have prophecy and morals?]

Which person observed "God's 6 day creation?"

The angels [cherubim] in heaven.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”

Genesis 1:27
So God created human beings in his own image.
In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them


A cherub (/ˈtʃɛrəb/; plural cherubim; Hebrew: כְּרוּב‎ kərūv, pl. כְּרוּבִים kərūvîm) is one of the unearthly beings who directly attend to God according to Abrahamic religions. The numerous depictions of cherubim assign to them many different roles; their original duty having been the protection of the Garden of Eden.
Cherub - Wikipedia

 

[Seve]

Some do. You are an ape. You have relatives that grow crops. And the request was for a biological difference, not a behavioral one. Your failure tells us that you are an ape too.

And can you please make a point without cluttering up your answer with nonsense. The extraneous garbage in you posts make it look as if you might not be all there. As Joe Friday said "Just the facts maam."

Dear Subduction Zone,

Why don't you just TRY to REFUTE what I have brought forth to you directly, instead of whining about it all day long. Is it because you have no answer or rebuttal to come back to me... contrary to what I have posted??? Also, please explain to us the Magical Evolution Process that you are so eagerly defending and ready to die for. Thanks

As I have said before, Ape/monkey societies are Not Human Civilizations. Some Evols would have us believe that we ARE Apes. We are the descendants of Adam and the sons of God.

The sons of God (Prehistoric Man) never wrote a book, nor built a city. Humans, Adam, was made on the 3rd Day and the sons of God were created from the water on the 5th Day. Pre-Noah Humans were from Adam, and the sons of God are referred to by Evols, as Caveman.

The reason Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes is because today's Humans ARE the children of Noah's descendants and the prehistoric people who were already here and had been for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. That is WHY we have the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam and God had, Gen 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes within our Human bloodstreams. This does NOT mean that we evolved from them but that our Human blood was contaminated by them. It cost Humans 90% of our lifetimes because of this.

The problem with the False ToE is that it does NOT know that Humans came to this Earth in an Ark. It's because they have rejected God's Truth and now they are stuck with their incomplete view, because they have been force teaching it to our children for more than 50 years. It's against the Constitution to teach one's UnSupported "beliefs" to our children in the Public Schools. God

Don't look for Science to recognize this event since it absolutely DESTROYS the idea that we magically evolved from Apes, because there is NO evidence of How and When prehistoric people became Human. In order to believe such foolishness, you MUST accept the False idea that Humans Magically changed from animal to Human intelligence.

That is the FALSE Religion (belief) that is being forced upon our children in the Public Schools. With NO evidence, it's nothing more than a False Religion and totally UnConstitutional.

Don't believe me? Then produce evidence of How and When prehistoric people changed from animal to Human intelligence.

There is NONE. I will wait for you to post just ONE piece of evidence which shows this, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Evolution estimates has a margin of error. [nothing created every living thing]

That is a strawman. A dishonest sort of argument that a Christian should avoid. Are you a Christian?

The bible is very inexact [someone created every living thing]

Another strawman.

Both have errors?

Of course. There are errors in the thinking of scientist. But this is very very important, science has a method for self correction. The errors in the sciences tend to get smaller and smaller as time goes on. The Bible has no method of correction for its countless errors.

myths, failed prophesy and poor morals [evolution have prophecy and morals?]

No, evolution does not have morals, nor does it claim to have them. Not so for the Bible. It has very poor morals and again no method for self correction. And of course it is full of failed prophecies. There are standards to meet for prophecies and Bible prophecies tend to fail them if one thinks that they are about events in the future. The only time when the Bible succeeds is when past events were written as prophecy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dear Subduction Zone,

Why don't you just TRY to REFUTE what I have brought forth to you instead of whining about it. Is it because you have no answer or rebuttal??? Also, explain to us the Magical Evolution process that you are defending and ready to die for. Thanks

As I have said before, Ape/monkey societies are Not Human Civilizations. Some Evols would have us believe that we ARE Apes. We are the descendants of Adam and the sons of God.

The sons of God (Prehistoric Man) never wrote a book, nor built a city. Humans, Adam, was made on the 3rd Day and the sons of God were created from the water on the 5th Day. Pre-Noah Humans were from Adam, and the sons of God are referred to by Evols, as Caveman.

The reason Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes is because today's Humans ARE the children of Noah's descendants and the prehistoric people who were already here and had been for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. That is WHY we have the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam and God had, Gen 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes within our Human bloodstreams. This does NOT mean that we evolved from them but that our Human blood was contaminated by them. It cost Humans 90% of our lifetimes because of this.

The reason Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes is because today's Humans ARE the children of Noah's descendants and the prehistoric people who were already here and had been for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. That is WHY we have the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam and God had, Gen 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes within our Human bloodstreams. This does NOT mean that we evolved from them but that our Human blood was contaminated by them. It cost Humans 90% of our lifetimes because of this.

The problem with the False ToE is that it does NOT know that Humans came to this Earth in an Ark. It's because they have rejected God's Truth and now they are stuck with their incomplete view, because they have been force teaching it to our children for more than 50 years. It's against the Constitution to teach one's UnSupported "beliefs" to our children in the Public Schools. God

Don't look for Science to recognize this event since it absolulutely DESTROYS the idea that we evolved from Apes, because there is NO evidence of How and When prehistoric people became Human. In order to believe such foolishness, you MUST accept the False idea that Humans Magically changed from animal to Human intelligence.

That is the FALSE Religion (belief) that is being forced upon our children in the Public Schools. With NO evidence, it's nothing more than a False Religion and totally UnConstitutional.

Don't believe me? Then produce evidence of How and When prehistoric people changed from animal to Human intelligence.

There is NONE. I will wait for you to post justONE piece of evidence which shows this, but I won't hold my breath.

[/QUOTE]

Can you please tone down the Green Ink. You look like a nutter when you post in such a fashion. No one claimed that the other apes were the same as humans. Your post is nonsense. Try to see if you can make it readable. At the most you might have two terms in bold in an entire post. Changing color, excessive bolding, unjustified use of all caps and underlining make a post unreadable and is seen as a sign of mental instability. I am sure that you do not want to be perceived that way. Please read this article:

Green ink - RationalWiki

Here is a short excerpt from it:

"
Green ink is a British journalistic term for the frothing of lunatics.[1][2][3] Back when letters to news outlets were produced in an archaic medium based on materials known as "paper" and "ink", the nutters would supposedly always write their IMPORTANT INFORMATION in green. It is not known just how many such letters actually existed, or if this is just urban legend, though there are occasional reports of physical manifestations.[4] Common comorbid characteristics include irrelevant capitalisation, religious mania, overuse of exclamation marks and veiled threats or warnings directed at the recipient. An article in The Observer about letters to the editor suggests avoidance of green ink.[5]

The term remains a useful metaphor for similar frothing in the electronic age, even though the pages are likely to include every colour rejected from the rainbow,[6] in a tasteful variety of fonts. "

It reads much better in the article since they use examples to illustrate how crazy this looks.

 

[Seve]

Can you please tone down the Green Ink. You look like a nutter when you post in such a fashion. No one claimed that the other apes were the same as humans. Your post is nonsense. Try to see if you can make it readable. At the most you might have two terms in bold in an entire post. Changing color, excessive bolding, unjustified use of all caps and underlining make a post unreadable and is seen as a sign of mental instability. I am sure that you do not want to be perceived that way. Please read this article:

Green ink - RationalWiki

Here is a short excerpt from it:

"
Green ink is a British journalistic term for the frothing of lunatics.[1][2][3] Back when letters to news outlets were produced in an archaic medium based on materials known as "paper" and "ink", the nutters would supposedly always write their IMPORTANT INFORMATION in green. It is not known just how many such letters actually existed, or if this is just urban legend, though there are occasional reports of physical manifestations.[4] Common comorbid characteristics include irrelevant capitalisation, religious mania, overuse of exclamation marks and veiled threats or warnings directed at the recipient. An article in The Observer about letters to the editor suggests avoidance of green ink.[5]

The term remains a useful metaphor for similar frothing in the electronic age, even though the pages are likely to include every colour rejected from the rainbow,[6] in a tasteful variety of fonts. "

It reads much better in the article since they use examples to illustrate how crazy this looks.

BUMP.... BUMP... BUMP....3rd Request!!!

Dear Subduction Zone,

Why don't you just TRY to REFUTE what I have brought forth to you directly, instead of whining about it all day long. Is it because you have no answer or rebuttal to come back to me... contrary to what I have posted??? Also, please explain to us the Magical Evolution Process that you are so eagerly defending and ready to die for. Thanks

As I have said before, Ape/monkey societies are Not Human Civilizations. Some Evols would have us believe that we ARE Apes. We are the descendants of Adam and the sons of God.

The sons of God (Prehistoric Man) never wrote a book, nor built a city. Humans, Adam, was made on the 3rd Day and the sons of God were created from the water on the 5th Day. Pre-Noah Humans were from Adam, and the sons of God are referred to by Evols, as Caveman.

The reason Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes is because today's Humans ARE the children of Noah's descendants and the prehistoric people who were already here and had been for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. That is WHY we have the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam and God had, Gen 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes within our Human bloodstreams. This does NOT mean that we evolved from them but that our Human blood was contaminated by them. It cost Humans 90% of our lifetimes because of this.

The problem with the False ToE is that it does NOT know that Humans came to this Earth in an Ark. It's because they have rejected God's Truth and now they are stuck with their incomplete view, because they have been force teaching it to our children for more than 50 years. It's against the Constitution to teach one's UnSupported "beliefs" to our children in the Public Schools. God

Don't look for Science to recognize this event since it absolutely DESTROYS the idea that we magically evolved from Apes, because there is NO evidence of How and When prehistoric people became Human. In order to believe such foolishness, you MUST accept the False idea that Humans Magically changed from animal to Human intelligence.

That is the FALSE Religion (belief) that is being forced upon our children in the Public Schools. With NO evidence, it's nothing more than a False Religion and totally UnConstitutional.

Don't believe me? Then produce evidence of How and When prehistoric people changed from animal to Human intelligence.

There is NONE. I will wait for you to post just ONE piece of evidence which shows this, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Seve]

Dear Readers,

The FIRST words of Adam as documented in the Scripture describes changes WITHIN His kinds or micro-evolution.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Some godless men also call it “evolution” when two produce one.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics when two separate beings produce another totally separate individual, in a population, over time. Gen 6:1-4 also shows that the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce children with Adam's descendants and in the process, the children change from animal to the Superior Human intelligence of Adam, which is like God's. Gen 3:22

IOW, In order to become a Human, you MUST inherit the Human intelligence of Adam, the first Human. That's God's Truth. Don't believe the words of Godless Evols since they CANNOT show us How or When we magically evolved from Ape to Human Intelligence.

 

[MJFlores]

That is a strawman. A dishonest sort of argument that a Christian should avoid. Are you a Christian?



Another strawman.



Of course. There are errors in the thinking of scientist. But this is very very important, science has a method for self correction. The errors in the sciences tend to get smaller and smaller as time goes on. The Bible has no method of correction for its countless errors.


No, evolution does not have morals, nor does it claim to have them. Not so for the Bible. It has very poor morals and again no method for self correction. And of course it is full of failed prophecies. There are standards to meet for prophecies and Bible prophecies tend to fail them if one thinks that they are about events in the future. The only time when the Bible succeeds is when past events were written as prophecy.

When another person makes a statement, and I quote that statement it does not make me the author of the statement. Capish?

"No, they are not 100% sure about it. A figure like "5 million years" being used is obviously an estimate."
Please see #227 for the original author.

If people bank and vouch for something not 100% sure - whatchamacallit?

No, they are not 100% sure about it. A figure like "5 million years" being used is obviously an estimate.

Evolution and the Bible are both absent of morals and failed prophecies - sure, why raise it?
We are not talking about morals and failed prophecies but talking about
Why nothing made everything is rational than somebody made everything.

 

[Subduction Zone]

BUMP.... BUMP... BUMP....3rd Request!!!

Dear Subduction Zone,

Why don't you just TRY to REFUTE what I have brought forth to you directly, instead of whining about it all day long. Is it because you have no answer or rebuttal to come back to me... contrary to what I have posted??? Also, please explain to us the Magical Evolution Process that you are so eagerly defending and ready to die for. Thanks

Let's not be rude nor dishonest. If you demand answers you need to be polite. For example, I don't believe in magic, that is your flaw. I will answer properly formed and politely asked questions.

As I have said before, Ape/monkey societies are Not Human Civilizations. Some Evols would have us believe that we ARE Apes. We are the descendants of Adam and the sons of God.

"Societies" vary for all life. And once again you forgot that you are an ape too. The proper phrase would be "other apes".

The sons of God (Prehistoric Man) never wrote a book, nor built a city. Humans, Adam, was made on the 3rd Day and the sons of God were created from the water on the 5th Day. Pre-Noah Humans were from Adam, and the sons of God are referred to by Evols, as Caveman.

This is your own reinterpretation after the fact and without evidence can be treated as nonsense.. What is the evidence for this claim?

The reason Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes is because today's Humans ARE the children of Noah's descendants and the prehistoric people who were already here and had been for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. That is WHY we have the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam and God had, Gen 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes within our Human bloodstreams. This does NOT mean that we evolved from them but that our Human blood was contaminated by them. It cost Humans 90% of our lifetimes because of this.

Please, you are digging your hole even deeper. We know that the Floor story is a myth. Or that your God lied. Which one is it?

The problem with the False ToE is that it does NOT know that Humans came to this Earth in an Ark. It's because they have rejected God's Truth and now they are stuck with their incomplete view, because they have been force teaching it to our children for more than 50 years. It's against the Constitution to teach one's UnSupported "beliefs" to our children in the Public Schools. God

Don't look for Science to recognize this event since it absolutely DESTROYS the idea that we magically evolved from Apes, because there is NO evidence of How and When prehistoric people became Human. In order to believe such foolishness, you MUST accept the False idea that Humans Magically changed from animal to Human intelligence.

That is the FALSE Religion (belief) that is being forced upon our children in the Public Schools. With NO evidence, it's nothing more than a False Religion and totally UnConstitutional.

Don't believe me? Then produce evidence of How and When prehistoric people changed from animal to Human intelligence.

There is NONE. I will wait for you to post just ONE piece of evidence which shows this, but I won't hold my breath.

Oh my! Now you sound like a banned member that had the same claims that he could not support. Where is your evidence for any of this?

 

[Subduction Zone]

When another person makes a statement, and I quote that statement it does not make me the author of the statement. Capish?

"No, they are not 100% sure about it. A figure like "5 million years" being used is obviously an estimate."
Please see #227 for the original author.

If people bank and vouch for something not 100% sure - whatchamacallit?


Evolution and the Bible are both absent of morals and failed prophecies - sure, why raise it?
We are not talking about morals and failed prophecies but talking about
Why nothing made everything is rational than somebody made everything.

Statements quoted out of context are never legitimate. And please, if you are going to attempt to use an Italian word Google it first:

capiche - Bing

And you do not seem to understand, if one claims to be 100% right he is almost always wrong. For example if can be shown that there is no.such thing as an exact measurement. This is recognized in the sciences which is why in articles they have what the estimated error bars are.

I am temporarily limiting you to one question per post. We might get somewhere if we follow that format.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dear Readers,

The FIRST words of Adam as documented in the Scripture describes changes WITHIN His kinds or micro-evolution.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Some godless men also call it “evolution” when two produce one.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics when two separate beings produce another totally separate individual, in a population, over time. Gen 6:1-4 also shows that the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce children with Adam's descendants and in the process, the children change from animal to the Superior Human intelligence of Adam, which is like God's. Gen 3:22

IOW, In order to become a Human, you MUST inherit the Human intelligence of Adam, the first Human. That's God's Truth. Don't believe the words of Godless Evols since they CANNOT show us How or When we magically evolved from Ape to Human Intelligence.

What makes you think that the Bible is reliable? With all of the errors in it why trust it?

 

[Seve]

Let's not be rude nor dishonest. If you demand answers you need to be polite. For example, I don't believe in magic, that is your flaw. I will answer properly formed and politely asked questions.



"Societies" vary for all life. And once again you forgot that you are an ape too. The proper phrase would be "other apes".



This is your own reinterpretation after the fact and without evidence can be treated as nonsense.. What is the evidence for this claim?



Please, you are digging your hole even deeper. We know that the Floor story is a myth. Or that your God lied. Which one is it?




Oh my! Now you sound like a banned member that had the same claims that he could not support. Where is your evidence for any of this?

Dear Seduction Zone,

Disagreement with my post and continued whinings about it is NOT a Rebuttal articulated with merit, but obviously, an EXCUSE, to hide your inability to reason out your foolishness and stupid belief on this thread... that you can NOT even defend intelligently with good reasons.

Included in all my postings, I have provided this thread Scriptural Truth, Scientific Facts, Historical Evidences and Statistical Facts... that you try to continue to ignore, While, so far, all I have seen from you are cut-and-paste articles of other's people that you try to impress upon us.

Come on man, I thought you are better person than that, unless, you consider yourself coming from Apes family too, like your close friends that you hang around with... would that be the case? Is that all you have???

Just asking.