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About trinity in Christianity

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Yesterday I spoke with a very nice taxi driver and we came in on religion, He a Muslim and I Buddhist had a very nice chat, so he asked me if I understand the trenity of Christianity, but I was uncertain:)
My question is, is there anyone who can explain the Trinity for me?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Sure, but don't expect it to stand up to questioning. From all the attempts I've seen they fall apart because of homonyms or people get tongue-twisted. In their explanations people will redefine a term so as to suit an immediate need and forget how they previously used it. But there's always hope. Maybe someone will actually come up with a coherent explanation.
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Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Yesterday I spoke with a very nice taxi driver and we came in on religion, He a Muslim and I Buddhist had a very nice chat, so he asked me if I understand the trenity of Christianity, but I was uncertain:)
My question is, is there anyone who can explain the Trinity for me?

The evidence for the Trinity is pretty flimsy. I do not understand why many of us think it is obligatory to force others to believe as we do? If others wish to believe in that fine.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Father- Allah, God in the Beyond.
Son - Avatar/Nataraj - The symbol of the gate between the creator and creation
Holy Ghost - creation
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Father- Allah, God in the Beyond.
Son - Avatar/Nataraj - The symbol of the gate between the creator and creation
Holy Ghost - creation
That is similar to what i head of before, but then the question arise,
Is the Father and the son same (is Jesus and God same)
What is the holy spirit? (something within the human being or is it the teaching?)
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Going by the majority of discussions about it, Muslims tend to see the trinity as polytheism and by extension Christians as polytheistic. I'm not sure what Muslims in general think, but that's how most debates about it on RF have been.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
My question is, is there anyone who can explain the Trinity for me?
No, there isn’t. Even people who believe in it say that it’s impossible to understand or explain.

In the Bible stories, Jesus and the Holy Spirit say and do things that only God can do, but Jesus calls God his father, and sometimes Jesus and God talk to each other, and about each other and the Holy Spirit, as if they are three separate persons. That looks like a contradiction to some people, and the Trinity doctrine is a way of trying to resolve the contradiction without denying anything the Bible says. It’s hard to understand because it uses the words “is,” “distinct,” and “person” in ways that they are never used in any other context.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
No, there isn’t. Even people who believe in it say that it’s impossible to understand or explain.

In the Bible stories, Jesus and the Holy Spirit say and do things that only God can do, but Jesus calls God his father, and sometimes Jesus and God talk to each other, and about each other and the Holy Spirit, as if they are three separate persons. That looks like a contradiction to some people, and the Trinity doctrine is a way of trying to resolve the contradiction without denying anything the Bible says. It’s hard to understand because it uses the words “is,” “distinct,” and “person” in ways that they are never used in any other context.
May it be that the knowledge of the truth about Trinity is lost? and that human interprets it as something different then it truly is?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
May it be that the knowledge of the truth about Trinity is lost? and that human interprets it as something different then it truly is?

The trinity was a late introduction into Christianity, adopted by the Catholic church from non-Christian concepts.......it is not from the Bible.

Jehovah is the Almighty God and he has many "sons" that the Bible calls angels. His "firstborn" (figuratively speaking) is his Second in Command, exercising authority over all other creatures....but the holy spirit is the means by which he exercises his power. It is not a person but an impersonal force, sent wherever it is needed to accomplish God's will.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
May it be that the knowledge of the truth about Trinity is lost? and that human interprets it as something different then it truly is?
I’m not sure what you mean by that. Do you think that there was a time when people who used the Trinity doctrine thought they understood it? I don’t think so. I think they called it a mystery from the very start. Or do you think that the wording of the Trinity doctrine was inspired from some divine source? I don’t think that there’s any knowledge to find in it. I think it’s just a way of trying to pararaphrase what the Bible says, to deny that there’s any contradiction in it. I see a much better way to resolve that paradox.
 

Firemorphic

Activist Membrane
Going by the majority of discussions about it, Muslims tend to see the trinity as polytheism and by extension Christians as polytheistic. I'm not sure what Muslims in general think, but that's how most debates about it on RF have been.

No offense but why is the Muslim position relevant in this thread when our friend Amanaki is inquiring about Christianity? :)
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I’m not sure what you mean by that. Do you think that there was a time when people who used the Trinity doctrine thought they understood it? I don’t think so. I think they called it a mystery from the very start. Or do you think that the wording of the Trinity doctrine was inspired from some divine source? I don’t think that there’s any knowledge to find in it. I think it’s just a way of trying to pararaphrase what the Bible says, to deny that there’s any contradiction in it. I see a much better way to resolve that paradox.
I see truth in every religion that we have today, so yes the trinity be a true teaching as far as i see it.
As i said before, every religions do teach a path toward the truth, if the truth is like the top of a mountains the religions ar just different route to the same higher truth. And i think that much of the original teachings has been lost
 

Firemorphic

Activist Membrane
The Trinity though, is generally a combining of two core metaphysical concepts, being:

Godhead, and Logos.​

The thing is that it is considered in varying degrees depending on the denomination to the semantics of the Triune Godhead. The Trinity itself, to some Christian traditions, offers itself as one of the spiritual mysteries.

I do find the subject very interesting. The Logos aspect of Jesus leads some Christian traditions to differ in position between Jesus being a Divine representation and being God-incarnate.
From the strains of Gnostic and post-Kabbalistic influence, alongside many post 10th century Christian Mystics, there is the tendency to devalue Jesus in the category of just being a symbol of spiritual attainment....which obviously discounts a Trinity in that interpretation.

One of the areas of significance for the Trinity theology, is the pre-eternal existence (according to certain chapters in the NT) of Jesus applied back to Genesis 1, it's fascinating.

The Trinity as most commonly understood (to really answer the question) is that:

There are 'three persons in one', Father (YHWH), Son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit. They are all (in Trinitarian Christian theology) one God, not three. Jesus is the redeemer of humanity, he (God incarnate) sacrificed himself to wash away the sins of the world, for those that believe in him. He essentially broke the Ouroboros that started in the Garden of Eden. God sacrificing a part of himself is seen as the greatest act of love there could be.



(as to why there is still sin, is another thing that I have in my own speculative theological ideas....however, I'm not a Christian, so I'm not saying I believe in the Trinity personally....Jesus is one of our most beloved Prophets though in my religion)
 

Workman

UNIQUE
Yesterday I spoke with a very nice taxi driver and we came in on religion, He a Muslim and I Buddhist had a very nice chat, so he asked me if I understand the trenity of Christianity, but I was uncertain:)
My question is, is there anyone who can explain the Trinity for me?
IMO..
The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit.
When you find them all and make all three into one in whole..you will then be born of A=MAN(Amen).

If you look and listen carefully you will see your spirit will show you where the three are located.

In the name of the Father..
And of the Son..
And of the Holy, Spirit..Amen
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
@Amanaki If you want to find some truth in the Trinity doctrine, I might be able to help you with that. I spent many hours in a forum about the Trinity, trying to see the truth in what people were saying about it. I would love to have someone to talk to about what I learned from that.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
@Amanaki If you want to find some truth in the Trinity doctrine, I might be able to help you with that. I spent many hours in a forum about the Trinity, trying to see the truth in what people were saying about it. I would love to have someone to talk to about what I learned from that.
I am always up for a discussion of different topics within religion :)
The OP did come up because of the talk i had in the taxi, But it made me think. Even as a buddhist i find it very interesting to discuss topics that is not within my own cultivation
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
@Amanaki “The Trinity,” by itself, simply means the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. There’s no end to what there is to learn about those, but I think what you’re asking about might be the Trinity doctrine or dogma. One way of saying it is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons; that each of them is fully God; and yet there is only one God. Is that what you’re asking about? Are you interested in what truth there might be in that?

I wonder if you know that no one who has ever written about the Trinity doctrine, from the beginning, has ever said that it represents any knowledge that is not in the Bible. It’s just a different way of saying what the Bible says. One way to see truth in the Trinity doctrine might be to read what the Bible says, that the Trinity doctrine tries to say in a different way. That’s what I’d like to try doing with you.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Richard Feynman is attributed to have said, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics."

I think the Trinity in Christianity is similar, nobody really understands it.
 
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