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East Asian country steps up brutal sharia laws

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yup. I can't wait till I go to court to see what kind of glares and stares I get when instead of god and the Bible I swear to Lucifer. Though since I'm not in Indiana anymore I suspect I might be dreadfully disappointed when nobody even seems to notice.
Even in Californiastan, you'd stand out.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Even that I wonder since there is a Temple of Satan chapter in LA.
My advice....
Saying an oath to Satan could influence a decision based upon your testimony.
When I lived in LA, there were many fundies.
Granted, that was in the prior millenium.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Saying an oath to Satan could influence a decision based upon your testimony.
That would entirely all depend on what interests I have regarding the case. I can be remarkably unconcerned when I have nothing at stake, but go extra leagues (and often cover far more areas than where necessary) when it comes to something I have an interest in. And while there are still fundies here, they most definitely don't hold the reigns here like they do in other states, neither politically or socially/culturally.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That would entirely all depend on what interests I have regarding the case. I can be remarkably unconcerned when I have nothing at stake, but go extra leagues (and often cover far more areas than where necessary) when it comes to something I have an interest in. And while there are still fundies here, they most definitely don't hold the reigns here like they do in other states, neither politically or socially/culturally.
One never knows what might p1ss off a judge.
The law can take a back seat to prejudices.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
We have those policies and votes despite American being constitutionally secular. The Constitution officially bans tests of religious faith to hold public office. Some places, however, do indeed have tests of religious faith to hold public office and ban atheists from holding office.

The Constitution is one thing. An openly atheistic politician is seriously jepordising their chance at election in much of the country.
Indeed, claiming Christianity is important to election chances in much of the country.

So theoretically secular is less impactful than actual biases.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The Constitution is one thing. An openly atheistic politician is seriously jepordising their chance at election in much of the country.
Indeed, claiming Christianity is important to election chances in much of the country.

So theoretically secular is less impactful than actual biases.
It's not being put in jeopardy because of bitterness towards atheists, in some places in America atheists are literally not allowed to run for or hold public office. That is despite the fact the Constitution bans such tests of faith for holding public office.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
It's not being put in jeopardy because of bitterness towards atheists, in some places in America atheists are literally not allowed to run for or hold public office. That is despite the fact the Constitution bans such tests of faith for holding public office.

Yep, I understand.
We also have variation between state and federal laws.
The laws you're talking about there could probably be successfully tested against the Constitution in a legal sense, though. But still, practically it wouldn't then allow atheists in those constituencies to compete on a level playing field.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
One never knows what might p1ss off a judge.
The law can take a back seat to prejudices.
IDK. Maybe it's because in Indiana not even Wiccans are safe from bunghole Conservative judges, but I just don't really feel socially threatened here. Even the Conservatives here seem to back down way sooner and easier than the most anemic of bleeding heart Liberals in Indiana.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Yep, I understand.
We also have variation between state and federal laws.
The laws you're talking about there could probably be successfully tested against the Constitution in a legal sense, though. But still, practically it wouldn't then allow atheists in those constituencies to compete on a level playing field.
True, but that is one example of where America being officially secular just doesn't matter much, especially if the Supreme Court hasn't yet been involved (and even then, such as with Creationism/ID, it still may not matter). They also get some religious exemptions that other nations don't allow for. And they frequently get to teach high school students about sex on the tax payer dollar (I learned in high school the vagina gets weaker and weaker and more useless the more times it gets used - it was compared to chewing gum (sloppy seconds are all you can ever give and get) and scotch tape (usefulness over time)).
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
IDK. Maybe it's because in Indiana not even Wiccans are safe from bunghole Conservative judges, but I just don't really feel socially threatened here. Even the Conservatives here seem to back down way sooner and easier than the most anemic of bleeding heart Liberals in Indiana.
I've been in court many times.
Do anything to better your odds.
Don't let the illusion of sympathetic liberals hurt you
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I've been in court many times.
Do anything to better your odds.
Don't let the illusion of sympathetic liberals hurt you
As I said - it depends on who's hide may or may not get roasted. When it comes to me, I'm very much in it for me to the best of my abilities. When it comes to others, they told me to put myself in their shoes so I did and they didn't fit and I forgot where I put them after I took them off.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As I said - it depends on who's hide may or may not get roasted. When it comes to me, I'm very much in it for me to the best of my abilities. When it comes to others, they told me to put myself in their shoes so I did and they didn't fit and I forgot where I put them after I took them off.
One's own hide is most important.
But I serve justice nonetheless, so I want my testimony to matter.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
One's own hide is most important.
But I serve justice nonetheless, so I want my testimony to matter.
Me too. But by intention or unintentionally, I'll either "*sneeze*" and press and the button that drops you into hell or I'll actually sneeze and accidentally press the button while having no intention of doing so.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
This isn't Shell's fault. Oil companies, if they are smart, don't meddle in internal politics.

I think the Sultan of Brunei is going to catch hell from the rest of the Muslim world and back down.
So has the rest of the Muslim world given the Sultan of Brunei hell for sentencing gays to stoning yet?
 
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