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Why Does Everyone Have to Reject the Messiah?

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
Sorry shouldn't have said 'all' - edited it.

No worries.

Most of the major religions have a Messiah figure who comes to warn mankind before the end of time.

Which ones do and which ones don't?

Since some religions have made the Messiah into a savoir (Vishnu), rather than the destroyer (Shiva), most people down here near Hell are confused.

What's your view of Vishnu and Shiva?

Reality is made from multiple dimension quantum physics

Says who?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Which ones do and which ones don't?
Judaism, Christian, Islam, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Mayan, etc...

Some of the philosophies don't like Confucianism; yet I've not studied every religion in full.
What's your view of Vishnu and Shiva?
Brahma = Creation, Vishnu = Sustainer, Shiva = Refresher...

They're different character references of the Source.
Says who?
13 Dimensions and Commandments

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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The_Fisher_King

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Premium Member
Judaism, Christian, Islam, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Mayan, etc...

On what basis do you classify all of these as major world religions?

yet I've not studied every religion in full.

Are you the Messiah?

Brahma = Creation, Vishnu = Sustainer, Shiva = Refresher...

Okay, so you espouse a common view of the Trimurti (which is far from the only view adopted by Hindus).


Can you summarise this here?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member

The_Fisher_King

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Premium Member
Millions of followers, and global scope.

I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply either to Zoroastrianism or the Mayan religion...

Got the New Name of Christ in the Bible, and in many religions - so it does seem likely.

If that is the case, why do you need to study other religions to see if they have a Messiah character? Surely this sort of thing should already have been communicated to you/you should know this sort of thing before studying those other religions?

In my NDE saw the dimensions between Hell and Heaven, which appeared to match the 10 Commandments... Plus 2.

That doesn't exactly answer my original question. Do you believe another being guided you in some way/communicated these things to you?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Okay, so you espouse a common view of the Trimurti (which is far from the only view adopted by Hindus).

No kidding. In fact it's rare, outside of western encyclopedias, whose authors most likely put tit there to find some sort of comparison to their trinity concept.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply either to Zoroastrianism or the Mayan religion...
They both used to have lots of followers.
If that is the case, why do you need to study other religions to see if they have a Messiah character?
I'm proof reading what is useful, and just seeing how come people are confused down here.
Surely this sort of thing should already have been communicated to you/you should know this sort of thing before studying those other religions?
Yeah was told some of the deceptions in the Bible as a child; these same things apply across the Dharmic religions, and could all be explained.
Do you believe another being guided you in some way/communicated these things to you?
Somethings are guided because of the experiences; yet much is built on physics, the I-Ching, Commandments, many religions, multiple NDE testimonies, etc...

It is a logical step to understanding reality... If someone has a better idea, I'm always willing to question more clear perspectives.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
They both used to have lots of followers.

This arguably applies to many other religions that don't make your list.. Take the national religions of past civilisations and empires.

Yeah was told some of the deceptions in the Bible as a child; these same things apply across the Dharmic religions, and could all be explained.

Hmm.

Somethings are guided because of the experiences; yet much is built on physics, the I-Ching, Commandments, many religions, multiple NDE testimonies, etc...

So you don't exactly believe you were guided by another being?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
So you don't exactly believe you were guided by another being?
The Source of reality is like a CPU that manifests it at a quantum level, thus it guides all of us; yet as an archangel, sort of always had an understanding of metaphysics.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
The Source of reality is like a CPU that manifests it at a quantum level, thus it guides all of us; yet as an archangel, sort of always had an understanding of metaphysics.

In my opinion. :innocent:

What if the Source of reality as you see it were only the Source of the material world? What if there was a Higher God?
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
There are many who have come and claimed to be the Messiah, but NONE have fulfilled the requirements:
1. Bring all the Jews back to Eretz Yisrael.
2. Rule from Jerusalem
3. Usher in World Peace.
 

The_Fisher_King

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Premium Member
Always open to having great faith "I do not know!"

Open to questioning this reality is formulated, and only when there is a reality that is totally random could we say, "this is remotely the true reality".

In my opinion. :innocent:

Openness to possible alternative viewpoints is a great attitude!
 

wizanda

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Premium Member
3. Usher in World Peace.
Within the Curse of Moses, 'Peace' (Deuteronomy 29:19-20) doesn't happen until the Lord has cleansed the dross (Rephaim, Nephilim) from our people with Fire (Deuteronomy 29:21-26).

Then after everyone shall know the Lord, and we shall live in a time of Godliness; with everyone who didn't accept the Snare, and Curse removed (Deuteronomy 30:1-7).
2. Rule from Jerusalem
The New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven (Revelation 21:10).
1. Bring all the Jews back to Eretz Yisrael.
As the prophets so rightly put, a Jew is someone who accepts the Marvelous Works of the Lord (Zechariah 8:6-8).

Our people have confused the theology, and thus were put under the Curse because EL is the Source, Eloh is a Divine Representative, and Elohim generally implies part of the Divine Council.

Thus because Judah rejected the Rock of their Salvation (Deuteronomy 32:15), by rejecting Yeshua Elohim (Isaiah 52:10, Psalms 98:3) - which contextually is the "Salvation from our God".

Thus Judah have gone after other Elohim, and rejected the Source - EL (Deuteronomy 32:16-18).
There are many who have come and claimed to be the Messiah, but NONE have fulfilled the requirements:
Claiming to be the Messiah, and God sending someone before the things discussed, is part of the problem.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Within the Curse of Moses, 'Peace' (Deuteronomy 29:19-20) doesn't happen until the Lord has cleansed the dross (Rephaim, Nephilim) from our people with Fire (Deuteronomy 29:21-26).

Then after everyone shall know the Lord, and we shall live in a time of Godliness; with everyone who didn't accept the Snare, and Curse removed (Deuteronomy 30:1-7).
Deuteronomy 29 and 30 refer to the curses and blessings of those Jews who choose to ignore the Torah and return to the Torah (respectively) right now in this world. The Torah makes no mention of any afterlife -- you have to wait til the prophets to learn of the world to come.

The New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven (Revelation 21:10).
Jerusalem, New Jerusalem, it's unimportant. The point is that JESUS didn't rule from Jerusalem. The messiah is an all or nothing deal. Either you fulfill all the prophecies and you are the messiah, or you don't and you aren't. Even *I* can say," Hi I'm the messiah, and I'll fulfill the prophecies the next time I come."

As the prophets so rightly put, a Jew is someone who accepts the Marvelous Works of the Lord (Zechariah 8:6-8).
Hogwash. And Zechariah doesn't say that at all. Try googling it and read.

Our people have confused the theology, and thus were put under the Curse because EL is the Source, Eloh is a Divine Representative, and Elohim generally implies part of the Divine Council.
Who is Eloh?

El is short for Elohim. Elohim has several different meanings, but mostly in the sacred texts it refers to the One True God, the yah hey and vav hey, NOT to a being on the divine council.

Thus because Judah rejected the Rock of their Salvation (Deuteronomy 32:15), by rejecting Yeshua Elohim (Isaiah 52:10, Psalms 98:3) - which contextually is the "Salvation from our God".

Thus Judah have gone after other Elohim, and rejected the Source - EL (Deuteronomy 32:16-18).
You cite (but irritatingly do not quote) a lot of verses that don't back up what you are saying.

In Deuteronomy 32:15-18 Jersharun refers to all Israel, not just Judah. It refers to them rejecting the LORD God, not Jesus, and turning to idolatry, as is recording in the rest of the Tanakh. You are reading INTO the text something that is NOT THERE.

Isaiah 52:10 and Psalms 98:3 do not speak of Jesus, or even of the Messiah. When it speaks of God, it is referring to the Yad Hey and Vav Hey. And Salvation is not salvation from sin and entrance into heaven. It is salvation from our enemies, especially being delivered from Egypt.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
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Thus this explains why regardless of what the Messiah says, no one will accept him (Luke 7:25) until after the land is cleansed (Luke 7:30).

Sorry, Luke 7:25,30 in no way says that everyone will reject Messiah.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Shalom,
You cite (but irritatingly do not quote)
Generally post each verse name in full, so it makes it link to each scripture on this site for everyone.
Either you fulfill all the prophecies and you are the messiah
The Messianic prophecy gets fulfilled over time, as the only appearance of the word 'Messiah' in the Tanakh is Daniel 9:26, and Isaiah 52:14 (Dead Sea Scrolls - 1QIsaa) - which both happen before the destruction of the 2nd temple...

Then there is the Diaspora which is the Curse of Moses in Deuteronomy 28, Leviticus 26, Zechariah 11...

After this all nations come against Israel in Zechariah 12, Deuteronomy 29, Ezekiel 38-39...

And then the Messianic Age...
Who is Eloh?
EL (H410) is the Source, used in El Elyon (God Most High)...

When H is added to a word it makes it breathed into manifestation; Hayah (H1961), and Havah (H1933) meaning similar to become.

Eloh (H433) means a Divine Being, and the plural Elohim (H430), generally implies Beings within the Divine Council.

In Isaiah 46:9 we're told in Hebrew that El (God) is not like the Elohim (Divine Beings), where it paraphrases Deuteronomy 32:7-9...

Rabbinic Hebrew derived ideas are in violation of it, as El Elyon is the Source of our Reality, and YHVH is one of the Elohim.
It refers to them rejecting the LORD God, not Jesus, and turning to idolatry
The Salvation (H3444) from God being made a promise in the Tanakh is not idolatry; what is being understood of the prophecies has made it into an abomination.

The idea that the Source of reality created all this texts, and historical events, where people then deny it being from their God, is a form of atheism to us.
Isaiah 52:10 and Psalms 98:3 do not speak of Jesus, or even of the Messiah.
It says Yeshuat Eloheinu (H3444 + H430) in both verses, the Salvation from our God.

The context in Isaiah 52:10-14 is that the flesh of David is Chosen in Psalms 89:19-21 to be the Vessel of the Lord, and in Isaiah 52:14 with the additional yod on the word blemished in the dead sea scrolls, that makes it literally about the Messiah/Anointed.
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When it speaks of God, it is referring to the Yad Hey and Vav Hey.
God is not parts, El is the Source, and Elohim are Divine aspects of the one Source... Yahavah means Lord of Creation; Yehoshua means Lord that Saves.
The Torah makes no mention of any afterlife
Deuteronomy 30:4 If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there he will bring you back.
Zechariah doesn't say that at all. Try googling it and read.
The only way to establish the meaning of the Bible, is by using the Bible; word searching the Marvelous Work, is how we can acquire its meaning.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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