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Buddha and Christ identical Beings

Vinayaka

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Premium Member
Only you can know your answers.

I have found bondage takes many forms and I have found this ancient tradition is a good meditation;

"The good deed of the righteous, are the sins of the near ones."

Regards Tony
That makes no sense to me. All these vague sayings, my, my, where do you find them?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That makes no sense to me. All these vague sayings, my, my, where do you find them?

In all the worlds faiths and virtues, that weŕe given by God, great it is. :D;)

With that quote I see in one way it suggests that we can always do better and at no time can we think we have got it right.

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

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Premium Member
In all the worlds faiths and virtues, that weŕe given by God, great it is. :D;)

With that quote I see in one way it suggests that we can always do better and at no time can we think we have got it right.

Regards Tony

Really? We, again? And you got this from ... "The good deed of the righteous are the sins of the near ones."

Wow. Seems some folks can extrapolate any meaning whatever from whatever.

The oak seed is in the fish belly, well that actually means that Superman rode his horse to the moon.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
@crossfire
It would be number one, because it has other evidence as well:

Buddha said:

"I am not the first Buddha who came upon Earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time, another Buddha will arise in the world - a Holy One, a supremely enlightened ..."

In OP, Buddha says, I am the First, and before everyone, as He is the eldest. Notice, Buddha was born, how could He be the Eldest? The answer is in the above quote. There is One Enlightened One, who had manifested before again and again, and will manifest Himself again and again. That is, He is the First and before all, and the Last, and after everyone. Since both quotes are compatible, they are confirming each other.
Investigate Truth, your source even mentions it as being legend, not sutta.
Secondly your logic is flawed. If Buddha actually did say,
"I am chief of the world,
Eldest am I in the world,
Foremost am I in the world.
This is the last birth.
There is now no more coming to be."​
Then there is no way that Buddha and Jesus could be the identical person, as Jesus was born some 500 to 600 years later, which would invalidate the claim of "This is the last birth."
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
Premium Member
"God" is just a word, describing a supernatural source, having holy attributes. Same concept can be seen in Buddhism, even if you say, Buddhism does not appear as a Revelation from a God in a Heaven. The Buddha, Himself is the manifestation of God, though He may not use that term. The statement of Buddha in OP, clearly is a claim to divinity. According to traditions, Buddha said those statements when He was born, not just some years later, when He is awakened. The idea of Buddha becoming awakened under Tree, is identical with the event of descending the Dove on Jesus. Both are just symbolic, and denotes the moment Their Mission began.
i will try to explain it again. Buddha is not a m.f.g. He was a wise old man who taught lessons for the living this life. He has nothing to do with Jesus or "divinity".

In fact, he told his students NOT to follow him. He was interested in the mind and how to control it in order to live a peaceful compassionate, minialmist life without useless thoughts of unknowns. He was interested in how people live from within here and now. Not living to worship gods, heavens and some unknown future.

The Baha'i religion is not a path Buddha would recommend or agree with from reading his lessons. They are incompatible in both practice and basic ideology.

You can believe anything you want to but that does not make it true .
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Investigate Truth, your source even mentions it as being legend, not sutta.
Secondly your logic is flawed. If Buddha actually did say,
"I am chief of the world,
Eldest am I in the world,
Foremost am I in the world.
This is the last birth.
There is now no more coming to be."​
Then there is no way that Buddha and Jesus could be the identical person, as Jesus was born some 500 to 600 years later, which would invalidate the claim of "This is the last birth."
"This is the Last Birth", has a meaning, which is figurative. If it was literal, then no one else would be born after Buddha? Just because it is a symbolic expression, it does not mean it is false.. . And its meaning is as follows: the appearence of Buddha, or the Enlightened One (in the Person of Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna), Marks the beginning of a new Age, or cycle, and the end of the past cycle, or Age.
Thus, He is the last One who is born in the previous cycle, that is: 'this is the last birth!'. Now, a new time, a new cycle starts. Previous cycle is expired! 'I am the beginning', meaning, with Me, a new beginning began!
All of these expressions, are related to the 'power of renewal'. Everytime, a Buddha appears, through His knowledge and inspiration, He creates a new human, with new spirit and mind.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Kinda like these threads ... they spin on for awhile, then they slow, then fade, then cease .. but then, alas, ah ha! ... a new fake debate, and a new beginning ... the resemblance is remarkable, or is that just markable.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
With regard to the topic, the other thread on whether or not Islamic and Christian theology can be reconciled, the vote is currently 27 No versus 10 yes. Given the widely recognised idea that Buddhism and Christianity are in two separate families of religion (dharmic. and Abrahamic) it would seem the vote on this would be substantially wider yet. Shucks darn.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Look at the statement of Buddha about Himself:


"I am chief of the world,
Eldest am I in the world,
Foremost am I in the world.
This is the last birth.
There is now no more coming to be."
Miracles of Gautama Buddha - Wikipedia


Now, compare and see how those statements are the same as what Jesus said about Himself:

1.
Jesus said, I am the first, before Abraham I was
Buddha said, Eldest am I in the world,

2.
Jesus said I am the Last.
Buddha said, This is the last birth, There is now no more coming to be."

3.
Jesus said, He is the King, as Messiah is the King by definition.
Buddha said I am chief of the world,


And in the words of Bahaullah:


"They are at the same time the Exponents of both the “first” and the “last.” Whilst established upon the seat of the “first,” they occupy the throne of the “last.” Were a discerning eye to be found, it will readily perceive that the exponents of the “first” and the “last,” of the “manifest” and the “hidden,” of the “beginning” and the “seal” are none other than these holy Beings, these Essences of Detachment, these divine Souls. " Bahaullah, Book of Iqan

Jesus and Buddha are both said to have been born of a pure virgin, honoured by heavenly beings at their birth, prayed to by Kings, and loaded with presents, ’ happy is the whole world sing the gods, under the form of young Brahmins at the birth of the child Buddha. And it is said over and over again in the Chinese books that Buddha was incarnate of the Holy Spirit, and born of a ‘pure virgin’. It is written also in the Lalita Vistara, ‘ the legendary biography of Buddha,’ dating from before the time of Christ, “For he is indeed born who brings salvation, and will establish the world in blessedness. He is born who will darken sun and moon by the splendor of his merits and will put all darkness to flight. The blind see, the deaf hear, the demented are restored to reason.” A. Drews, ‘The Christ Myth, P. 104.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Jesus and Buddha are both said to have been born of a pure virgin, honoured by heavenly beings at their birth, prayed to by Kings, and loaded with presents, ’ happy is the whole world sing the gods, under the form of young Brahmins at the birth of the child Buddha. And it is said over and over again in the Chinese books that Buddha was incarnate of the Holy Spirit, and born of a ‘pure virgin’. It is written also in the Lalita Vistara, ‘ the legendary biography of Buddha,’ dating from before the time of Christ, “For he is indeed born who brings salvation, and will establish the world in blessedness. He is born who will darken sun and moon by the splendor of his merits and will put all darkness to flight. The blind see, the deaf hear, the demented are restored to reason.” A. Drews, ‘The Christ Myth, P. 104.
No. Buddha was not born of a virgin at all. That is the silliest thing I have heard about Buddha in here yet.

The narrative is that Buddha's mother, queen Mayadevi was unhappy because she was unable to conceive a child. The king, then invited brahmins and performed a fire oblation ritual for having a child with Mayadevi. After that their union had fruit and Mayadevi conceived.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
No. Buddha was not born of a virgin at all. That is the silliest thing I have heard about Buddha in here yet.

The narrative is that Buddha's mother, queen Mayadevi was unhappy because she was unable to conceive a child. The king, then invited brahmins and performed a fire oblation ritual for having a child with Mayadevi. After that their union had fruit and Mayadevi conceived.

And what denomination of the Buddhist religion do you belong to? Do you belong to the Chinese division, in whose books it is said over and over again, that Buddha was incarnate of the Holy Spirit, and born of a ‘pure virgin’.

Maty, I don't really care one way or another as to the many, many and varied beliefs of the Buddhist religion, I merely quoted from the book, ‘The Christ Myth, P. 104. written by A Drews.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
And what denomination of the Buddhist religion do you belong to? Do you belong to the Chinese division, in whose books it is said over and over again, that Buddha was incarnate of the Holy Spirit, and born of a ‘pure virgin’.

Maty, I don't really care one way or another as to the many, many and varied beliefs of the Buddhist religion, I merely quoted from the book, ‘The Christ Myth, P. 104. written by A Drews.
I'm a Mahayana Buddhist. Buddha's mother was Queen Maya, who died shortly after childbirth. Queen Maya was married to King Suddhodana for twenty years before she finally conceived, so she was not a virgin in any sense of the word.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
I'm a Mahayana Buddhist. Buddha's mother was Queen Maya, who died shortly after childbirth. Queen Maya was married to King Suddhodana for twenty years before she finally conceived, so she was not a virgin in any sense of the word.

Go and tell that to the Chinese Buddhists, in whose books it is said over and over again that Buddha was incarnate of the Holy Spirit, and born of a ‘pure virgin’. I have no interest in the Buddhist religion.
 
Look at the statement of Buddha about Himself:


"I am chief of the world,
Eldest am I in the world,
Foremost am I in the world.
This is the last birth.
There is now no more coming to be."
Miracles of Gautama Buddha - Wikipedia


Now, compare and see how those statements are the same as what Jesus said about Himself:

1.
Jesus said, I am the first, before Abraham I was
Buddha said, Eldest am I in the world,

2.
Jesus said I am the Last.
Buddha said, This is the last birth, There is now no more coming to be."

3.
Jesus said, He is the King, as Messiah is the King by definition.
Buddha said I am chief of the world,


And in the words of Bahaullah:


"They are at the same time the Exponents of both the “first” and the “last.” Whilst established upon the seat of the “first,” they occupy the throne of the “last.” Were a discerning eye to be found, it will readily perceive that the exponents of the “first” and the “last,” of the “manifest” and the “hidden,” of the “beginning” and the “seal” are none other than these holy Beings, these Essences of Detachment, these divine Souls. " Bahaullah, Book of Iqan
Jesus claimed to be the Almighty. Said things only God can say. Also the writers of the New Testament claim that Jesus was God in the flesh, created all things, and died for the sins of mankind.
Buddha never made such claims. Case closed.
Mostly all religions are going to be similar in some way when it comes to social issues: love, peace, don't kill, etc.. Only Christianity claims that a personal God who created the universe became human and died for the sins of mankind and was resurrected to life and now offers eternal life to all that believe in his name. Not even a comparison to Buddhism.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Jesus claimed to be the Almighty. Said things only God can say. Also the writers of the New Testament claim that Jesus was God in the flesh, created all things, and died for the sins of mankind.
Buddha never made such claims. Case closed.
Mostly all religions are going to be similar in some way when it comes to social issues: love, peace, don't kill, etc.. Only Christianity claims that a personal God who created the universe became human and died for the sins of mankind and was resurrected to life and now offers eternal life to all that believe in his name. Not even a comparison to Buddhism.

The Lord God our savior, said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18-19; " I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to MY WORDS that the prophet speaks in my name.

Jesus did not claim to be the Almighty, they were the words of the Lord as spoken through the mouth of his obedient servant, Jesus.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
The Lord God our savior, said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18-19; " I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to MY WORDS that the prophet speaks in my name.

Jesus did not claim to be the Almighty, they were the words of the Lord as spoken through the mouth of his obedient servant, Jesus.
Jesus and Moses were totally different. Moses was a warmonger who called down evil on others. Jesus refused to do such. Luke 9:51-56
 

sayak83

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Staff member
Premium Member
And what denomination of the Buddhist religion do you belong to? Do you belong to the Chinese division, in whose books it is said over and over again, that Buddha was incarnate of the Holy Spirit, and born of a ‘pure virgin’.

Maty, I don't really care one way or another as to the many, many and varied beliefs of the Buddhist religion, I merely quoted from the book, ‘The Christ Myth, P. 104. written by A Drews.

Yes. And the book has its information wrong. Apparently the authors confused chastity (not having extra-marital inclinations) with virginity.
 
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