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The Oldest Profession In The World: Yea Or Nay

Harmless Prostituution. I'm

  • For it

    Votes: 16 64.0%
  • Against it

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • Having other thoughts

    Votes: 3 12.0%

  • Total voters
    25

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Just because right now they are STD's is no guarantee we will always be able to control them by regulation of sex. The longer they exist the more likely they are to find new vectors of infection, and then yes they won't be STD's. People talk about STD's like they will always be just a sexual disease, but that isn't how diseases work. They don't stay in their boxes. We should destroy them now while they can be controlled.
O...kay... and this has what to do with prostitution? Pardon me if I'm missing something obvious...
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
This thread, though, is not about that later extreme. This one is about buying (renting) other people's bodies for our own pleasure: pleasure that is often being derived specifically from humiliation and abuse.

What evidence do you have that this is the *primary* aspect in prostitution? My offhand bet is that it is a very minor part, with the primary part being simply for someone to have an orgasm with another person.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
What evidence do you have that this is the *primary* aspect in prostitution? My offhand bet is that it is a very minor part, with the primary part being simply for someone to have an orgasm with another person.
Especially since the whole point of this thread is prostitution we're assuming is generally consensual. I don't see anyone here advocating people being compelled to do anything they don't consent to.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
What evidence do you have that this is the *primary* aspect in prostitution? My offhand bet is that it is a very minor part, with the primary part being simply for someone to have an orgasm with another person.
I encountered a number of sex workers back when I was a nurse, and had some very interesting conversations. Anecdotally, it's not unusual for people to hire prostitutes and not even have full penetrative sex with them. Some people just want the company, or to be held.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
O...kay... and this has what to do with prostitution? Pardon me if I'm missing something obvious...
It has nothing to do with harmless prostitution if such a thing exists. Sex work regulated or not spreads STD's, keeping them alive, so that they can mutate. Then instead only being the problem only of those who choose recreational sex it becomes everyone's problem.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
It has nothing to do with harmless prostitution if such a thing exists. Sex work regulated or not spreads STD's, keeping them alive, so that they can mutate. Then instead only being the problem only of those who choose recreational sex it becomes everyone's problem.
Do you have any evidence that regulated sex work spreads STDs at a significantly higher rate than sex generally?
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Do you have any evidence that regulated sex work spreads STDs at a significantly higher rate than sex generally?
Ooh is that a request for evidence? We don't use that in this conversation. This is about harmless prostitution.

*edit* Ok...give me some time. I'll see if I can dig something up. Just for you!
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Some national tables from the CDC for 1941 - 2017 , and this is probably the only country that has been keeping track for that long, but I don't see a lot of data about sex workers. Its as if they don't exist, possibly because they are illegal here in most places. Table 1 - 2017 Sexually Transmitted Diseases Surveillance It charts reported cases of Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Chancroid. In 2003 the CDC (USA institution) created the National HIV Behavioral Surveillance (NHBS) to track at risk populations, but it doesn't track sex workers either. It only tracks gay men.

In fact I can't get any data to back up my ludicrous claim that sex workers might spread STDS. I must apologize.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Some national tables from the CDC for 1941 - 2017 , and this is probably the only country that has been keeping track for that long, but I don't see a lot of data about sex workers. Its as if they don't exist, possibly because they are illegal here in most places. Table 1 - 2017 Sexually Transmitted Diseases Surveillance It charts reported cases of Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Chancroid. In 2003 the CDC (USA institution) created the National HIV Behavioral Surveillance (NHBS) to track at risk populations, but it doesn't track sex workers either. It only tracks gay men.

In fact I can't get any data to back up my ludicrous claim that sex workers might spread STDS. I must apologize.
I didn't question whether sex workers spread STDs, I asked if there's any evidence that regulated sex work spreads STDs at a significantly higher rate than sex generally?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Some national tables from the CDC for 1941 - 2017 , and this is probably the only country that has been keeping track for that long, but I don't see a lot of data about sex workers. Its as if they don't exist, possibly because they are illegal here in most places. Table 1 - 2017 Sexually Transmitted Diseases Surveillance It charts reported cases of Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Chancroid. In 2003 the CDC (USA institution) created the National HIV Behavioral Surveillance (NHBS) to track at risk populations, but it doesn't track sex workers either. It only tracks gay men.

In fact I can't get any data to back up my ludicrous claim that sex workers might spread STDS. I must apologize.
I suppose it depends quite a bit on the sex worker. I am sure that there are some that are willing to do the act without protection. One thing to remember for those out there buying such services is that if one is willing to do it with you without protection then they do it with others as well.

On the other hand if a sex worker uses protection she,or he, is probably more proficient in its use than the average person one picks up in a bar. The ideal is a long term relationship. Temporary fixes do have their risks.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
I didn't question whether sex workers spread STDs, I asked if there's any evidence that regulated sex work spreads STDs at a significantly higher rate than sex generally?
That depends, because data is scarce. Truly regulated sex would eliminate STD's (using faithful monogamy as the example). When we say sex generally we are talking about all kinds both marriage, extra-marital, pre, post etc. How does one go about gathering the evidence on sex workers? I look at the CDC web page and see statistics about diseases, but I don't see studies that reveal what you are asking about. Maybe somebody gathers that kind of information, but how would they verify it? I think it would require a very persistent and invasive monitoring authority, but that would by its own nature make the data generally inapplicable since people behave differently under observation. It would have to be unethical in order to accurate, because people lie. Maybe a behavioral scientist could think of a way around it, but it looks like they haven't.

Look at this pdf file from the American Journal of Public Health: The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications which cites "...the absence of an effective national system for STD prevention..." and "Managed care organizations offer the greatest potential in the private sector for a comprehensive approach to STD control but have demonstrated little interest in the issue to date." It also says that condoms are proven to help but that much more research is needed. That doesn't give us a lot to go on towards answering your question.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That depends, because data is scarce. Truly regulated sex would eliminate STD's (using faithful monogamy as the example). When we say sex generally we are talking about all kinds both marriage, extra-marital, pre, post etc. How does one go about gathering the evidence on sex workers? I look at the CDC web page and see statistics about diseases, but I don't see studies that reveal what you are asking about. Maybe somebody gathers that kind of information, but how would they verify it? I think it would require a very persistent and invasive monitoring authority, but that would by its own nature make the data generally inapplicable since people behave differently under observation. It would have to be unethical in order to accurate, because people lie. Maybe a behavioral scientist could think of a way around it, but it looks like they haven't.

Look at this pdf file from the American Journal of Public Health: The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications which cites "...the absence of an effective national system for STD prevention..." and "Managed care organizations offer the greatest potential in the private sector for a comprehensive approach to STD control but have demonstrated little interest in the issue to date." It also says that condoms are proven to help but that much more research is needed. That doesn't give us a lot to go on towards answering your question.
Technology may solve the STD problem:

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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I'll wager that there'll still be a risk of disease.
Those tasked with cleaning up after a tryst
just might cut corners now & then.

Ewww. That would be rather bad.

Maybe they could offer some sort of covering or protection - kind of like how some public restrooms might dispense those toilet seat covers.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ewww. That would be rather bad.

Maybe they could offer some sort of covering or protection - kind of like how some public restrooms might dispense those toilet seat covers.
And ruin the experience?
No, thorough cleaning would be a must.
Hey...they could have an internal flushing/purging system.
And then the outside could be hit with a fire hose...or
better yet....a pressure washer.
 
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