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What happened to Elijah according to Quran vs Bible?

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I find it hard to believe Muhammad and Ali have anything worth witnessing about at the end times. There is a lot of speculation but the witnesses are not named. Maybe the names are withheld to protect the innocent.
I have a great problem with the Baha'i interpretation of this and other things they say about the Book of Revelation. Another big one is that the "Three Woes" are prophecies about the coming of Muhammad, The Bab, and Baha'u'llah. The big plus they've got going is the 1260 days prophecy, which fits into the time when Islam officially started and the start of the Baha'i Faith by the announcement of the The Bab in I844. Other than that, a lot of "creative" interpretation to make Revelation fit into what the Baha'i Faith believes.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Interesting thought. Do you mean this as being Christ before his earthly birth?

According to our understanding, Jesus in his pre-human existence was the Archangel Michael and always served as his Father's spokesman. That is what the title "Logos" means. He spoke God's 'words'.....both in heaven and on earth.

Sin created a barrier between God and man so Jesus became the mediator between them. We pray to God, only through Jesus. This rules out the trinity because if Jesus was God, we would have a barrier between us and him too. He is the only mediator.

It is likely that Michael played a very important role in Israel's history before his birth as a human. This is why he knew the Israelites so well, having witnessed their whole history at his Father's side, and then firsthand being raised as a human among them. He roundly condemned the religious leaders and went in search of the sheep that had become "lost" due to their neglect.

I think it's an amazing thing that God loves humankind so much that, not only did he send his beloved son to pay the ransom for our release from the Adamic curse, (Romans 5:12) but every single person who will guide and direct humans on the path of reconciliation in God's kingdom, have all lived in the flesh....even Jesus as High Priest. They will be compassionate and understanding rulers whilst they bring us back to God. The fact that they also need to be priests demonstrates that sin will be something that will take time to "undo". (Revelation 20:6)

Because we are free willed beings, it will be our choice to bring our lives into harmony with God's standards and to naturally want to co-operate with others in bringing about the paradise conditions that Adam and his wife lost for themselves and their children. Christ-like love will dominate our thinking.

I believe that we are on the brink of great change regarding man's rulership. God's Kingdom will "come" in a way that humans are not expecting. We don't know when the tribulation will begin, but we know that it will be rough (Matthew 24:21) and that those who are not on board the spiritual "ark" will have no safe place to hide. (Matthew 24:37-39)

These are momentous times my friend.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
According to our understanding, Jesus in his pre-human existence was the Archangel Michael and always served as his Father's spokesman. That is what the title "Logos" means. He spoke God's 'words'.....both in heaven and on earth.

Sin created a barrier between God and man so Jesus became the mediator between them. We pray to God, only through Jesus. This rules out the trinity because if Jesus was God, we would have a barrier between us and him too. He is the only mediator.

The children of God pray to "Our Father" directly (Matthew 6:9). Mediation would be due to some kind of problem. Do you have a problem with God? If you have a problem with your neighbor, I suggest that you try and fix it first with your neighbor (Matthew 5:23-24). I think the term "Logos" means words, and that term was originally used instead of the term commandments (Deuteronomy 4:13) as can be shown in a referenced bible. The Father spoke through the prophets by way of the Spirit of Revelation/Spirit of God. Yeshua/Joshua, the high priest, came to fulfill the Word of God (Matthew 5:17), and apparently, there is a ways to go. "Michael" was "one of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:13). Who was the "man dressed in linen" (Daniel 10:4) whom "Michael" helped (Daniel 10:13)?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I think it's an amazing thing that God loves humankind so much that, not only did he send his beloved son to pay the ransom for our release from the Adamic curse,

There is no Adamic curse. The sins of the fathers only reach 3 to 4 generations of those who hate me (Deuteronomy 5:9).

KJ21
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I believe that we are on the brink of great change regarding man's rulership. God's Kingdom will "come" in a way that humans are not expecting. We don't know when the tribulation will begin, but we know that it will be rough (Matthew 24:21) and that those who are not on board the spiritual "ark" will have no safe place to hide. (Matthew 24:37-39)

We have been in the "tribulation" a long time (Matthew 24:5-12) , such as wars, earthquakes, falling away, false prophets, lawlessness. What is harder to gauge (Matthew 24:33) is the "great tribulation" (Matthew 24:21). Those with the "mark of the beast" should not depend on any protection (Revelation 14:10).
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
According to our understanding, Jesus in his pre-human existence was the Archangel Michael and always served as his Father's spokesman. That is what the title "Logos" means. He spoke God's 'words'.....both in heaven and on earth.

Sin created a barrier between God and man so Jesus became the mediator between them. We pray to God, only through Jesus. This rules out the trinity because if Jesus was God, we would have a barrier between us and him too. He is the only mediator.

It is likely that Michael played a very important role in Israel's history before his birth as a human. This is why he knew the Israelites so well, having witnessed their whole history at his Father's side, and then firsthand being raised as a human among them. He roundly condemned the religious leaders and went in search of the sheep that had become "lost" due to their neglect.

I think it's an amazing thing that God loves humankind so much that, not only did he send his beloved son to pay the ransom for our release from the Adamic curse, (Romans 5:12) but every single person who will guide and direct humans on the path of reconciliation in God's kingdom, have all lived in the flesh....even Jesus as High Priest. They will be compassionate and understanding rulers whilst they bring us back to God. The fact that they also need to be priests demonstrates that sin will be something that will take time to "undo". (Revelation 20:6)

Because we are free willed beings, it will be our choice to bring our lives into harmony with God's standards and to naturally want to co-operate with others in bringing about the paradise conditions that Adam and his wife lost for themselves and their children. Christ-like love will dominate our thinking.

I believe that we are on the brink of great change regarding man's rulership. God's Kingdom will "come" in a way that humans are not expecting. We don't know when the tribulation will begin, but we know that it will be rough (Matthew 24:21) and that those who are not on board the spiritual "ark" will have no safe place to hide. (Matthew 24:37-39)

These are momentous times my friend.

Thank you for your very informative answer to my question Deeje.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Please, no hints. I would like a verse in Quran so I can look it up. Thanks
All agree, some of the verses of Quran are allusions. They refer to someone but not explicitly with their names. Quran says Jews killed the Messenger who performed the miracle of the Fire from sky to burn the Sacrifice. Which Jewish Prophet performed this miracle? Elijah, as described in Bible.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
There is no Adamic curse. The sins of the fathers only reach 3 to 4 generations of those who hate me (Deuteronomy 5:9).

KJ21
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,

I believe the curse is real but only for the Adamic race of which I only share a small portion of DNA.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
All agree, some of the verses of Quran are allusions. They refer to someone but not explicitly with their names. Quran says Jews killed the Messenger who performed the miracle of the Fire from sky to burn the Sacrifice. Which Jewish Prophet performed this miracle? Elijah, as described in Bible.

I believe in Rev 13 the antiChrist is said to "make fire come down from heaven."
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I believe in Rev 13 the antiChrist is said to "make fire come down from heaven."

As Constantine is the beast with two horns like a lamb (Revelation 13:11), and Constantinople, through the use of fire from heaven, with the use of phosphorus, that fire was used to burn the enemy ships. Possibly, you are confusing your ambiguous "antichrist" with the "another" "beast".
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Good point. Maybe there is more to the story.
Yes there is. The Bible alls the air above the earth "heaven" but that is not the Heaven where God lives. Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind. Whirlwinds occur in the air not in God's Heaven. So Elijah was simply lifted up by a whirlwind and carried away. His body was never found but he was not in God's Heaven. He was taken up in the air and carried some distance away.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes there is. The Bible alls the air above the earth "heaven" but that is not the Heaven where God lives. Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind. Whirlwinds occur in the air not in God's Heaven. So Elijah was simply lifted up by a whirlwind and carried away. His body was never found but he was not in God's Heaven. He was taken up in the air and carried some distance away.

Interesting take on the subject. Do you know any specific scripture that says that is what happened?
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Interesting take on the subject. Do you know any specific scripture that says that is what happened?
Start with Mathew 6:26 Some translations say birds of the air and other translations say birds of heaven. This shows that heaven can refer to the air around the earth. And whirlwinds occur in the air. They do not go to wherever God's heaven is.
 
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