Prophecy?

[TransmutingSoul]

So ... why do you believe in prophecy, as a concept? Or not, like me?

To me it has been shown to be sound predictions. It is another way to know God exists and God's Wisdom should not be ignored.

Each person must decide this for themselves. As Biblical Scholars did come up with a date that correctly showed the Message of the Bab was foretold, that in itself shows there is Truth to be found in Prophecy.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

To me it has been shown to be sound predictions. It is another way to know God exists and God's Wisdom should not be ignored.

Each person must decide this for themselves. As Biblical Scholars did come up with a date that correctly showed the Message of the Bab was foretold, that in itself shows there is Truth to be found in Prophecy.

Regards Tony

In Hinduism, it is said that 'whenever evil predominates and virtue subsides, God will manifest Himself to bring dharma into this world: that shows that Kalki avatar will again appear or has already appeared to bring dharma upon mankind regardless of Biblical prophecies.

 

[sooda]

To me it has been shown to be sound predictions. It is another way to know God exists and God's Wisdom should not be ignored.

Each person must decide this for themselves. As Biblical Scholars did come up with a date that correctly showed the Message of the Bab was foretold, that in itself shows there is Truth to be found in Prophecy.

Regards Tony

Who claims the Bab was foretold?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

In Hinduism, it is said that 'whenever evil predominates and virtue subsides, God will manifest Himself to bring dharma into this world: that shows that Kalki avatar will again appear or has already appeared to bring dharma upon mankind regardless of Biblical prophecies.

I see that was Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah shows how all Faiths are from One God.

What else will bind our hearts?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Who claims the Bab was foretold?

The Bab at a trial when asked;

“Whom do you claim to be,” he asked the Báb, “and what is the message which you have brought?” “I am,” thrice exclaimed the Báb, “I am, I am, the promised One! I am the One whose name you have for a thousand years invoked, at whose mention you have risen, whose advent you have longed to witness, and the hour of whose Revelation you have prayed God to hasten. Verily I say, it is incumbent upon the peoples of both the East and the West to obey My word and to pledge allegiance to My person.”

That was one powerful statement and now you know why all the Muslim Divines set out to silence him.

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

A person who believes in prophecy does not
understand or does not believe in cause and effect.

Billions of people believe in prophecy and have a very good understanding of it.

We understand cause and effect is that it depends on obedience to the Will of God. Obey God’s laws and we spiritually progress, disobey His laws and we regress spiritually simple as that.

I do believe God is not subject to cause and effect. ‘He does as He pleases’. and is well able to make and fulfill prophecies spanning thousands of years as He is the Eternal, Everlasting God.

We understand that only by obeying God can we spiritually progress.

“Were anyone to wash the feet of all mankind, and were he to worship God in the forests, valleys, and mountains, upon high hills and lofty peaks, to leave no rock or tree, no clod of earth, but was a witness to his worship—yet, should the fragrance of My good pleasure not be inhaled from him, his works would never be acceptable unto God. Bahá'u'lláh

 

[Shantanu]

What else will bind our hearts?

Truth.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I do not believe in prophecy.
however there are often Trends, actions and other data that suggest a probable or possible outcome.
Some people are more able to interpret these things than others.
Many religions including Christianity use prophecy as proof of scripture. and what God will do. or has done.
This is no better than believing that pure chance is a proof of anything.

Because I or anyone else predicts an outcome before it happens, does not make us a prophet or mean that we have a direct link to God, any more than it did people in ancient times.
Prophecy is snake oil and no different to the work of a con artist.

 

[sooda]

The Bab at a trial when asked;

“Whom do you claim to be,” he asked the Báb, “and what is the message which you have brought?” “I am,” thrice exclaimed the Báb, “I am, I am, the promised One! I am the One whose name you have for a thousand years invoked, at whose mention you have risen, whose advent you have longed to witness, and the hour of whose Revelation you have prayed God to hasten. Verily I say, it is incumbent upon the peoples of both the East and the West to obey My word and to pledge allegiance to My person.”

That was one powerful statement and now you know why all the Muslim Divines set out to silence him.

Regards Tony

I don't know that scripture. Where is it from?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Truth.

It may be Baha'u'llah is that source for our age. I beleive that to be the Truth.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

It may be Baha'u'llah is that source for our age. I beleive that to be the Truth.

May be: let us hope so for it needs another person to actually physically bind humanity together in the 21st century.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

May be: let us hope so for it needs another person to actually physically bind humanity together in the 21st century.

I see that events will unfold and show us how we need to achieve our unity.

The guidance is copious.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

I see that events will unfold and show us how we need to achieve our unity.

The guidance is copious.

Regards Tony

I do not discount the possibility that this will happen: is there an initiation ceremony needed for one to become a Baha'i'?

 

[wellwisher]

I do not believe in prophecy.
however there are often Trends, actions and other data that suggest a probable or possible outcome.
Some people are more able to interpret these things than others.
Many religions including Christianity use prophecy as proof of scripture. and what God will do. or has done.
This is no better than believing that pure chance is a proof of anything.

Because I or anyone else predicts an outcome before it happens, does not make us a prophet or mean that we have a direct link to God, any more than it did people in ancient times.
Prophecy is snake oil and no different to the work of a con artist.

An interesting example of modern prophesy can be found in art. From about 1790-1850 the art of the day was Neoclassicism and Romanticism. From about 1840 to 1990 were the Impressionists, then after that Abstract art became popular.

These movements all anticipated the changes of the times. Neoclassicism was based on photographic renditions of reality. It reflected culture in a type of mental clarity that comes from living an extension of classic traditions; well traveled path of humanity.

In Impressionism, this clarity of Neoclassicism starts to become more fuzzy. This was due to the impact of the Industrial Revolution, as people left the natural farm life, for jobs in the cities, that required working with soulless machines. This anticipated a change leading to the first world war.

The Abstractionists anticipated a deeper change in culture where fuzzy rationality changes to relativism and uncertainty. This started in physics and soon become part of culture.

The 1950's the artist Escher anticipated the present in his abstract work. His most famous painting is called Relativity; below, which is the sign of our times. In this work of art, if you isolate and then look at any man walking, it appears to be a valid reference or POV. But if you look at the bigger picture so you can see all the men side by side, not all the references or POV are valid. It can valid on a portion of a flat piece of paper; 2-D or cause and affect, but it is not possible in larger spatial context; 3-D thinking.

Art comes from the unconscious mind. The Unconscious is connected to the main frame parts of the brain. The subliminal data of the unconscious mind much more comprehensive than conscious data. The unconscious has far more computing power that the conscious mind. The unconscious can think in 3-D and even in 4-D. The problem is the gap between conscious and unconscious minds is wide and the content is not easy to translate since its uses a dense-fast language. Some people can partially translate this. Many artist have this gift and express it through the dense visual language of art; visionary.

 

[sooda]

An interesting example of modern prophesy can be found in art. From about 1790-1850 the art of the day was Neoclassicism and Romanticism. From about 1840 to 1990 were the Impressionists, then after that Abstract art became popular.

These movements all anticipated the changes of the times. Neoclassicism was based on photographic renditions of reality. It reflected culture in a type of mental clarity that comes from living an extension of classic traditions; well traveled path of humanity.

In Impressionism, this clarity of Neoclassicism starts to become more fuzzy. This was due to the impact of the Industrial Revolution, as people left the natural farm life, for jobs in the cities, that required working with soulless machines. This anticipated a change leading to the first world war.

The Abstractionists anticipated a deeper change in culture where fuzzy rationality changes to relativism and uncertainty. This started in physics and soon become part of culture.

The 1950's the artist Escher anticipated the present in his abstract work. His most famous painting is called Relativity; below, which is the sign of our times. In this work of art, if you isolate and then look at any man walking, it appears to be a valid reference or POV. But if you look at the bigger picture so you can see all the men side by side, not all the references or POV are valid. It can valid on a portion of a flat piece of paper; 2-D or cause and affect, but it is not possible in larger spatial context; 3-D thinking.

Art comes from the unconscious mind. The Unconscious is connected to the main frame parts of the brain. The subliminal data of the unconscious mind much more comprehensive than conscious data. The unconscious has far more computing power that the conscious mind. The unconscious can think in 3-D and even in 4-D. The problem is the gap between conscious and unconscious minds is wide and the content is not easy to translate since its uses a dense-fast language. Some people can partially translate this. Many artist have this gift and express it through the dense visual language of art; visionary.

Why do you think this has anything to do with prophecy??

 

[Jainarayan]

For me, time is an illusion of maya, therefore, prophesy is also illusory.

I have a possibly strange POV. I think time is non-linear, fluid, non-structured, and in general just plain not what we think it is. I think it loops back on itself, with different timelines intersecting. Therefore I don’t know how one can predict something that may have already happened.

Btw, I joined an interesting group in my area next Monday, The Association of Time Travelers. Our next meeting is at 7pm last Thursday.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Btw, I joined an interesting group in my area next Monday, The Association of Time Travelers. Our next meeting is at 7pm last Thursday.

I was going to join a similar group... The Procrastinating Time Travelers of Northern Ohio (PTTNO). I am going to hold off on joining, because they were going to have an induction ceremony yesterday evening, but decided to put it off until last month.

 

[Audie]

Billions of people believe in prophecy and have a very good understanding of it.

We understand cause and effect is that it depends on obedience to the Will of God. Obey God’s laws and we spiritually progress, disobey His laws and we regress spiritually simple as that.

I do believe God is not subject to cause and effect. ‘He does as He pleases’. and is well able to make and fulfill prophecies spanning thousands of years as He is the Eternal, Everlasting God.

We understand that only by obeying God can we spiritually progress.

“Were anyone to wash the feet of all mankind, and were he to worship God in the forests, valleys, and mountains, upon high hills and lofty peaks, to leave no rock or tree, no clod of earth, but was a witness to his worship—yet, should the fragrance of My good pleasure not be inhaled from him, his works would never be acceptable unto God. Bahá'u'lláh

Keep it simple: "Some people believe in magic,"

 

[Vinayaka]

Encyclopedia Britannica has a very good article on the prophet jeramiah.

Thanks, but the OP was about prophecy, not prophets.

 

[sooda]

Thanks, but the OP was about prophecy, not prophets.

Yes I know, but Jeremiah's story is unusual... like his prophecy.